RE: [iwar] The Middle East InfoWar Conflict - Update


From: Ozair
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 02:23:03 +0500
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Subject: RE: [iwar] The Middle East InfoWar Conflict - Update
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Your points are well taken, the tools in cyber space already exist, the same
IP protocol, it is the usage of these tool that makes the weapon, the
important part is that these tools are products of thought and do not
require much material input.

Also, currently there is a talk of ASPs, I am sure that when an ASP is
brought down then the losses may be spread over businesses and not just
localized to specific area. E.g, what will happen when a company that leases
word processing package from an ASP will find that today no memo got
written, no report got typed because the ASP was down and this means losses
hitting all the subscribers of such services.

It is just a thought.....

Regards
Ozair


-----Original Message-----
From: St. Clair, James [mailto:jstclair@vredenburg.com]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:19 PM
To: 'iwar@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [iwar] The Middle East InfoWar Conflict - Update


We may be missing the forest from the trees. While website defacement may be
"kid's stuff" and not meet whatever definition of Info War we use, there are
several important conceptual points, IMHO:

1) The forces regard "cyberspace" now as an effective medium to conduct
conflict.
2) These websites are still physically hosted on webservers, some of which
are third party and may be hosting non-affiliated services.
3) These "games" are getting more sophisticated in concept, and it is
warfare that truly prompts developing new weapons anyway.
4) Increasing dependence on ISPs for application services, infrastructure
management, and e-commerce means the same boxes vulnerable to web
defacements or DDoS attacks also carries financial transactions - that means
someone loses money.

- Jim





-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:52 AM
To: iwar@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [iwar] The Middle East InfoWar Conflict - Update


Per the message sent by Ozair:

> Everyone,

> Is anyone analyzing the frequency, type of attack, magnitude, motive, and
> the type of target behind so called information warfare attacks.

You might want to read the roll-up information on the all.net web site to
get more clarity on this. (http://all.net/ => Mid-East InfoWar)

The motives have been declared - at least in the case of the
Palestinians - through doctrine, through publicaitons that indicate it
is essentially economic warfare, through claims of asymetric advantage
in thiis venue, through published targeting informaiton, and through
several publications indicative of intent.  This has been declared by
the Palestinian authority, so it is their official policy at some level.

> I am still
> not willing to call these pranks as information warfare, had it been
> confirmed that these are well coordinated and are moving towards a
definite
> objective then they would be rightly called so.

The question of whether it is information warfare or information
terrorism seems, to me, to be moot.  If you take the strict US-centric
view that terrorist groups are those groups listed on the State
Department's list and that any information operation practiced by those
groups is terrorism, then this is information terrorism (on the
Palestinian side).  On the israeli side, it doe snot seem to be official
government policy, but on the other hand, they don't seem to be trying
to stop Israeli citizens from participating in it.  On that side, it
could be called information warfare, but the state link is not so clear.

> But picking up stragglers
> and sites apparently of no value seems hardly worth the news on this
group.

This is not what is hapenning in this case - at least that's not what
the evidence seems to show.

> Ozair

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