Re: [iwar] Digest Number 251
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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:14:41 -0700
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Hi Vernon and all,
Who I thank for the trickling stream of responses, which is preferable to a TORRENT. Am afraid, Vernon, that your answer missed my undefined [pardon to all] thoughts. Neither 'groups', nor 'girls, 'gorgeous redheads' or 'guerillas' ... GOVernments was my thought.
To try and amplify, briefly, governments conduct 'wars'. Almost anything else is a 'police action', a 'terrorist action' anarchy or riots. Simply put, there are no "Rules of ..." for those 'police actions', a 'terrorist actions' anarchy or riots ...
But Rules exist to define the scope and means of War ...
Most of us don't own a tank, or a F-111. So most of us hopefully are not constrained in action to account for the Rules in our daily life.
BUT, I am still formulating HOW we can 'contain' war actions that are undertaken to destabilize populations, when the threat is via, or TO, or FROM or ONTO a system as pan-global as the Internet.
Having just met Andy M-M, the German hacker that just got elected to the ICANN Board (I smiled, wondering who ELSE could have envisaged such a dichotomy, like George C. Scott acting against Jerry Lewis, or something: SEE http://www.addyourevent.com/events_read.asp?session=0&event=144), and not having all the Tech and Security interests predominant on this list, I've wondered not at their capabilities, but at the motiviations of Hackers. Which obviously range across the board. (no pun intended)
Back to our point. IF an EMP bomb is somehow built and delivered by some UNNAMED country with lots of sand against some advanced, IT-dense urban area in Europe or USA, with a capacity to take out ALL EM communications (TV, radio, electrical grids, Newspaper [having lost its capacity to create newsprint, now virtually all done electronically], Phone, Internet and cellular, [forgive me if this list seems ignorant, I am still searching best sources]), a hugely devastating effect would be rendered against populations that prior, were 'immunized' by the Rules of War against such involvement.
As we've progressed technically from horses and rifles to artillery, H-bombs and now? Whatever, the civilian protections that have always existed are less and less respected.
I want to study that, find out what I can about these overlaps, and see what Khafi Annan thinks after I (we) publish it ... (am part of a group which I think I already mentioned, of which some other, more established 'names' are associated)
All for now, my boss is not yet spying on me but...
Drew
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:13:23 +1100
From: "Vernon Stagg"
Subject: Re: Info warfare ...
Hi Drew,
I am maintaining a biblio on iw (and comp sec related issues) at
http://www3.cm.deakin.edu.au/~vstagg/security/papers/biblio-ol.html
Many of these I provide online links for, and try to keep up-to-date
as often as possible.
In relation to i2G, G2G, etc. I am assuming the G represents "Group" ?
A similar group to iwar, also on egroups, is at
http://www.egroups.com/group/cyberwar
a lot of the info is same/similar to iwar but may apply to your area.
Vernon
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Vernon Stagg B.Sc(Hons) - PhD Candidate
Department of Computing and Mathematics
Deakin University, Geelong, Victoria
Australia, 3217
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