Re: [iwar] Digest Number 251


From: Tony Bartoletti
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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:52:51 -0700
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Forgive me, but some degrees of "nuke" capability will become easier to
develop and deploy, especially for those with enough patience.  Something
the size of a suitcase carried to the top of a tall downtown building, a
device constructed almost entirely "domestically".  It need not have a
high-efficiency yield -- 10% would produce an impressive display.

Yes, we have "key sites" that have been hardened against such eventualities
for years.  Again, forgive me, but that sounds a bit like "protected by his
hardened facility, Nero fiddled while Rome burned."  Given the potential
degree of social and financial collapse that could ensue from such an event,
the prospect that certain hardened facilities would remain unscathed is of
scant comfort.

___tony___

At 07:48 AM 10/18/00 -0700, Michael Wilson wrote:
>Go Fred.  That's the big problem when people talk about directed or
>environmental energy weapons--they tend to forget that nucs are the primary
>known powersource.  They also forget the law of the inverse square.  Would it
>also be worth mentioning that key sites have been hardened for years
>(particularly the old, 'Cold War' installations) for just that reason?  My
>recollection was that entire development efforts (such as GA chips) were
>pursued for these reasons.
>
>Sigh, no general sense of science or history.
>
>MW
>www.7pillars.com
>
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Fred Cohen wrote:
>
> > Per the message sent by DrewSchaefer@ftnetwork.com:
> >
> > > Back to our point.  IF an EMP bomb is somehow built and delivered by
> > > some UNNAMED country with lots of sand against some advanced, IT-dense
> > > urban area in Europe or USA, with a capacity to take out ALL EM
> > > communications (TV, radio, electrical grids, Newspaper [having lost its
> > > capacity to create newsprint, now virtually all done electronically],
> > > Phone, Internet and cellular, [forgive me if this list seems ignorant, I
> > > am still searching best sources]), a hugely devastating effect would be
> > > rendered against populations that prior, were 'immunized' by the Rules
> > > of War against such involvement.
> >
> > Read nuclear weapon.  If you anaylze it, you may find that in order to
> > build this EMP bomb that takes out 'ALL EM communications' over any
> > significant area (on the magnitude of a city) you will need so much
> > energy that only a nuclear weapon can achieve it in a deliverable
> > package.
> >
> > FC
> >
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Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 
Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Livermore, CA 94551-9900


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