Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1102-986565109-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 06 Apr 2001 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26243 invoked by uid 510); 6 Apr 2001 12:52:57 -0000 Received: from ei.egroups.com (64.211.240.237) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 12:52:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1102-986565109-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2001 13:51:51 -0000 X-Sender: fc@all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 13:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 78120 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 13:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 13:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 13:51:48 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id GAA15392 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:51:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200104061351.GAA15392@all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006601c0be7d$95bec1f0$4b50b880@cm.deakin.edu.au> from "Vernon Stagg" at Apr 06, 2001 07:40:15 PM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Difference between IW and RA and Comp Sec etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by Vernon Stagg: > Hi all, > One of the problems I am facing during my research is a lot of the traditional comp sci > people dont understand or disregard the issue of Information Warfare. There also tends to be > similar apathy in the commercial arena with managers, execs, etc. > Most consider it another form of computer security or that a Risk Analysis will fix > everything up. That matches my experience and expectations. > I was interested what some of the views from people here think to this - agree/disagree? I agree that this is the way it is. I even agree that proper risk management should be able to deal effectively with this. The problem is that risks from war are different from 'business' risks. The concept of the nation state was, in some sense, created to 'provide for the common defense'. It's not my corner drugstore's job to protect the nation from military attack, but rather to pay the taxes to support that effort by the organzations that are able to do so. > I personally disagree, and consider IW at a higher level where computer security and RA > can be incorporated into the concept but are certainly very different methods. I also > think that computer security and RA these days have simply been tweaked to include a lot > of elements that fall outside their traditional scope, often with unwanted or unexpected > results. I think it is more complex than that. FC > Just interested in a few opinions and maybe a little healthy debate. > Vernon -- Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> Find software faster. Search more than 20,000 software solutions on KnowledgeStorm. Register now and get started. http://us.click.yahoo.com/1OWqsB/yMSCAA/7f4EAA/kzAVlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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