Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1104-986632464-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21775 invoked by uid 510); 7 Apr 2001 07:35:30 -0000 Received: from c3.egroups.com (208.50.99.225) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 07:35:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1104-986632464-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2001 08:34:24 -0000 X-Sender: m1@maglan-lab.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 7 Apr 2001 08:34:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 27000 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 08:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Apr 2001 08:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thor.inter.net.il) (192.114.186.11) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 08:34:23 -0000 Received: from fox ([192.116.242.226]) by thor.inter.net.il (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ANG27069; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:34:20 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <00cd01c0bf3d$a0fe3b20$0100000a@fox> To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> References: <200104061351.GAA15392@all.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "MAGLAN 1" <m1@maglan-lab.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:34:56 +0200 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Difference between IW and RA and Comp Sec etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the major differences between IW to CS is the offensive and defensive resource that can be used by nation-leads: army (mil), various national security and intelligence service. Those IW resources are currently far beyond what available for professional hackers and cyber-terrorists (if we exclude break-in, and few intelligence reports that claims a bit different). By simple to complicated compressions we usually explain to executive-layers the differences (. and sometimes they understand). ------------------------------ :) SB MAGLAN - Information Warfare Research Lab. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Cohen" <fc@all.net> To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [iwar] Difference between IW and RA and Comp Sec etc > Per the message sent by Vernon Stagg: > > > Hi all, > > > One of the problems I am facing during my research is a lot of the traditional comp sci > > people dont understand or disregard the issue of Information Warfare. There also tends to be > > similar apathy in the commercial arena with managers, execs, etc. > > Most consider it another form of computer security or that a Risk Analysis will fix > > everything up. > > That matches my experience and expectations. > > > I was interested what some of the views from people here think to this - agree/disagree? > > I agree that this is the way it is. I even agree that proper risk > management should be able to deal effectively with this. The problem is > that risks from war are different from 'business' risks. The concept of > the nation state was, in some sense, created to 'provide for the common > defense'. It's not my corner drugstore's job to protect the nation from > military attack, but rather to pay the taxes to support that effort by > the organzations that are able to do so. > > > I personally disagree, and consider IW at a higher level where computer security and RA > > can be incorporated into the concept but are certainly very different methods. I also > > think that computer security and RA these days have simply been tweaked to include a lot > > of elements that fall outside their traditional scope, often with unwanted or unexpected > > results. > > I think it is more complex than that. > > FC > > > Just interested in a few opinions and maybe a little healthy debate. > > > Vernon > > -- > Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 > Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 > Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven > This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. > PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!! > > > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> Secure your servers with 128-bit SSL encryption! 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