Return-Path: <JStClair@vredenburg.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 04 May 2001 07:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7722 invoked by uid 510); 4 May 2001 13:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vre?sd?nt.vredenburg.com) (208.221.135.20) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 13:09:31 -0000 Received: by vre-sd-nt.vredenburg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <KHA3G60P>; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <B30A25E2D1D2D1118021006097C3AC63C97F59@ccopo.vredenburg.com> From: "St. Clair, James" <JStClair@vredenburg.com> To: "'fc@all.net'" <fc@all.net> Subject: RE: [iwar] interesting piece (fwd) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:08:28 -0700 Return-Receipt-To: "St. Clair, James" <JStClair@vredenburg.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" you wrote: As I review the actual article (didn't sit down and actually read it in detail before) I do think some of the things stated as if widely published are a bit a-Maze-ing. Even more amazing is the claim that they still can't defend themselves. How bad can these folks be? I guess Adams really wants to be a Star! He mixes what he illicitly knows with what he thinks he knows to create a picture that is neither accurate nor unclassified, all mixed up to support his angle. >So you think he will become inEligible after his handlers read his posting? ..one can only hope.. I guess for as bad as things are here, at least they are better than the security mess overseas. I guess if the russians could lock their systems down, we wouldn't have so many compromised russian boxes hacking the US. ;) best, Jim St.Clair Critical Infrastructure Protection Vredenburg (703) 412-4611 -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:02 AM To: JStClair@vredenburg.com Subject: Re: [iwar] interesting piece (fwd) Per the message sent by St. Clair, James: > > ..send it to me in a properly double wrapped mail (or FedEx these > days) package at my Sandia address? > Actually, nothing worth spending the money on FEDEX for..;) > Your work with Sandia probably brought you in touch with some of the other > issues going on anyway..(OBTW, do you work with the IDART folks? say hi to > Ruth..) So so... They actually do a much better job for the money than most other teams I have seen, but the only real way to emulate a foreign government is to pay what it costs to do the job right and from their perspective. Nobody really wants to know. > >I'm in California - pretty nice day actually... > Cali it is! Burn a candle for me! (like everyone will be soon! ;) My UPSs and motor generators are always ready... As I review the actual article (didn't sit down and actually read it in detail before) I do think some of the things stated as if widely published are a bit a-Maze-ing. Even more amazing is the claim that they still can't defend themselves. How bad can these folks be? I guess Adams really wants to be a Star! So you think he will become inEligible after his handlers read his posting? Can I get the 30 phone numbers in Russia? It might be worth making a call... FC > Jim St.Clair > Critical Infrastructure Protection > Vredenburg > (703) 412-4611 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 9:48 AM > To: JStClair@vredenburg.com > Subject: Re: [iwar] interesting piece (fwd) > Per the message sent by St. Clair, James: > > You wrote: > > Should I have added a > > ? top the end of my subject line? > > I defer to you Sir. ;) > > Realizing this list consists of all backgrounds with all perpectives > > it makes prob any and all things worth throwing out. As a beltway guy I am > > here to tell you (as an INFOSEC pro) this guy is a charlatan, and his > > company's success supports this theory. > I met him at a conference, spok with him, and long ago decided not to > engage him in any work I do, but I still feel value in throwing all > ideas out to the list. > > Also he wears his NSA title as badge > > of honor, yet this time his writing actually compromises classified > > information. I have already sent a note about this to a friend of mine > that > > works there, so we'll see where this goes, if anywhere. > So... If I ask what the classified content he gives away is you will > have to send it to me in a properly double wrapped mail (or FedEx these > days) package at my Sandia address? > > Hope New Haven is as nice as D.C. is today.. > I'm in California - pretty nice day actually... > FC > > Jim St.Clair > > Critical Infrastructure Protection > > Vredenburg > > (703) 412-4611 > -- > Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 > fax:925-294-1225 > Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - > tel/fax:925-454-0171 > Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven > This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to > serve. > PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!! -- Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!!
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