Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1291-991701045-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15880 invoked by uid 510); 4 Jun 2001 23:31:32 -0000 Received: from cj.egroups.com (208.50.144.68) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2001 23:31:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1291-991701045-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2001 00:30:45 -0000 X-Sender: glenn.williamson@sympatico.ca X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 5 Jun 2001 00:30:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 18051 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2001 00:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jun 2001 00:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2001 00:30:44 -0000 Received: from home ([206.172.157.103]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010605003043.DOVN20074.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@home> for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:30:43 -0400 To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0ed56$a38d7120$679dacce@home> X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010604171446.00b41890@poptop.llnl.gov> X-eGroups-From: "Glenn Williamson" <glenn.williamson@sympatico.ca> From: "Glenn Williamson" <Glenn_Williamson@ottawa.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:29:53 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony and Fred and all, Having read Europe's thought on Internet Anonymity, we know how they want to deal with Anonymity. Having read NSA's way of dealing with Anonymity I wonder and am not surprised the way some criminals are caught(if they didn't brag they more than likely wouldn't be caught). Good luck forcing ISP's to do much, as long as they are providing a service and making money, they are happy, to pay engineers to configure there routers to stop outgoing packets with bogus source addresses(wow who has the money for that, locally or globally) Ok that is it, I am down to my last penny for comments tonight. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bartoletti [mailto:azb@llnl.gov] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:24 PM To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] news Glenn, Thanks for the support! Fred, when you say "we know how to stop DoS attacks", should I assume that you mean a. Forcing ISPs to not route outgoing packets with bogus source addresses (and blacklisting those that do?) Can this be done, globally? b. Abolishing Internet Anonymity? Can this be done, globally? c. "And now for something entirely different ..."? The only way to effect the (necessarily global) scope of these solutions is to adopt new protocols, and then phase out (refuse to route) the previous ones. Is that your thought in this? ___tony___ ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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