Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1328-992268193-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25312 invoked by uid 510); 11 Jun 2001 13:03:50 -0000 Received: from fk.egroups.com (64.211.240.232) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 13:03:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1328-992268193-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 14:03:14 -0000 X-Sender: jsforza@isrisk.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 14:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 75482 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 14:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 14:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.165) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 14:03:11 -0000 Received: from isriskxcurrent (roc-24-169-96-20.rochester.rr.com [24.169.96.20]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f5BE1iW24311 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:44 -0400 (EDT) To: "Iwar@Yahoogroups. Com \(E-mail\)" <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000401c0f27f$396877d0$6401a8c0@isrisk.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@isrisk.net> From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@rochester.rr.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:02:59 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Arab/Israeli "CyberWar" of our own making Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is the classification of escalation of conflict regarding computer based info systems? I don't consider a punch in the nose to be in the same conflict classification as being targeted and fired on by a M1 Abrams. Web defacement is annoying, Site DDoS raises the level, but to what? I see this as terrorism more than war (not criminal activity unless an infraction of law was involved). I have always associated war with a diplomatic bend. I see so much effort to classify everything in security by technique, method and impact why are we using the most reactive term regarding incidents? I will give Winn his due on Infowar but the classification is too broad and it's usage has the potential to lead to the 'button push - nuclear holocaust' syndrome. > I agree that we need to continue to consider our definitions, but I do > think that in this case I have made a credible case for what cyber > warfare may be and that the PLO Israeli conflict supports this notion. > Whether the intensity is again picking up is the question I would like > to see answered and documented here. Perception has a lot to do with this. I have no cultural commitments in that theatre and as such identify the frequency of activity as increasing but do not consider the intensity of conflict as rising. An Israeli associate of mine however reacts VERY differently. Any increase in frequency is attended by a perception of cultural and personal attack, he considers that the conflict intensity is rising significantly. I like the term cyber-conflict more than cyber-warfare but I concede that your term is better that *war. ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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