Return-Path: <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9521 invoked by uid 510); 26 Jun 2001 20:57:34 -0000 Received: from web14506.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.224.69) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 26 Jun 2001 20:57:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010626215555.55983.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.123.182] by web14506.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:55:55 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "c.b r" <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [iwar] Figuring out the "quantity" of import that IWAR implies? To: fc@all.net In-Reply-To: <200106261337.GAA04954@big.all.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fred: your example is a hauntingly effective example of a combination of two thing and their linkage is what was so devistating. Hitler/Germanys use of disinformation claiming that Jews were ruining all that was good about being German and hence must be exterminated-I hate even using these words. Hitlers war cabinet did a powerful job of linking that to way too much nationalism. Too much nationalism, alone, is an effective disinformation tool in itself. In Germanies case, it caused near worship of all things German and they linked to it the fact that jews threatened Germany. If you think about it, this was a powerful combination and made the Holocost seem like a reasonable matter to extremists in Germany. It did not take long for that sense of extremeism to spread to the average Hans on the street. Once it makes sense to the average person, then your society develops a frantic sense that the threat to Germany-Jews-must be killed off, lest they kill us. This was a sickening chapter in world history, be it is a good demonstration of how if the right factors are added together, then even the common man can come to outlandish conclusions. This has nasty IWAR implications. Think about it! Perhaps my comment this am should have been -how do we figure out the weight IWAR will carry. --- Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: > Per the message sent by c.b r: > > > I agree folks-there are terms that have been used > of > > late-hysteria, etc. that are a bit strong for the > > place that we are, today, with IWAR. Insidious, > sure > > and difficult to deal with and several others, but > we > > have yet to reach the point where IWAR has the > > potential to kill people on the order of nukes, > > Actually... in WW II millions of people were killed > by information > warfare - all of those murdered in death camps for > example. We can call > it propaganda if you like... Indeed every time > people convince other > people to go out killing people an act of > information warfare has > succeeded. More people have been killed over > religious ideas than > by nuclear weapons. > > > however the problem is on the rise. The real > question > > is where will it end up, once fully developed on > the > > scale of weapony? Or will it always be a low > > intensity, unconventional type of fight?c.b.r of > DC > > I think that your second characterization is pretty > much right - at > least for now. Information warfare must be > insidious to be successful. > It gets a bit intense at times - at least in my > experience, but how do > we really measure intensity? Different measures will > put information > warfare higher or lower than other weapons. > > FC > -- > Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at > tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 > Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - > fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 > Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The > University of New Haven > This communication is confidential to the parties > it is intended to serve. > PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a > great day!!! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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