Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1394-994335113-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23009 invoked by uid 510); 5 Jul 2001 11:13:55 -0000 Received: from jj.egroups.com (208.50.144.82) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 11:13:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1394-994335113-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2001 12:11:53 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 5 Jul 2001 12:11:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 65899 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 12:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jul 2001 12:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 12:08:44 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id FAA09520 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:08:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200107051208.FAA09520@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3B4456D6.F883AE03@mitre.org> from "Dan Ellis" at Jul 05, 2001 08:00:22 AM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Critical Mass to wage IW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by Dan Ellis: > I have heard statements from many in the computer security and > information warfare that waging information warfare requires the > resources of a nation state. Can anybody explain why a terrorist group, > a single security professional, or a small group of "hobbyists" couldn't > mount the resources necessary to wage information warfare? Maybe I am > alone in believing that a small, trained, coordinated group could pull > off at least a significant offensive for a short period of time. I think it's pretty clear that 'a small, trained, coordinated group could pull off at least a significant offensive for a short period of time.', but that is not the same as waging a war. A single individual can take a machine gun or a mortar and kill a lot of people pretty quickly, and we don't call that a war either. > What resources are needed in order to wage a significant offensive? I > suggest the following resources: 1) training/competency, 2) time, 3) > computer software & hardware, 4) a connection to the internet. Sure. How about an objective and intelligence with respect to that objective? ... > Are there other resources that are required that I am missing? Are > there resources whose prerequisite attributes I have inaccurately > chatagerized? If we call each other names, is that information warfare? I guess it's just a matter of intensity. FC -- Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!! ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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