Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1404-994685715-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Jul 2001 06:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17914 invoked by uid 510); 9 Jul 2001 12:37:12 -0000 Received: from mq.egroups.com (208.50.144.79) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 12:37:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1404-994685715-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2001 13:35:15 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 9 Jul 2001 13:35:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 51543 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 13:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jul 2001 13:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 13:35:14 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id GAA21681 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:35:14 -0700 Message-Id: <200107091335.GAA21681@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3B499ED2.CDDAE312@mitre.org> from "Dan Ellis" at Jul 09, 2001 08:08:50 AM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Duration of Cyber Conflicts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by Dan Ellis: ... > think of cyber warfare, I immediately picture a conflict of high > intensity that lasts hours to days. The 6-day war only lasted 6 days - and it was called a war. > Some may argue that this is not cyber > warfare, but rather an cyber conflict. I don't visualize trench warfare > as having any analogy in information conflicts. I visualize cyber > warfare as being more analogous to dropping an atom bomb. I don't see this myself. In order to convince someone to really give up in a war - or to sue for peace - you have to have enough of a hold on them to force the issue. Unless we become far more dependant on IT systems that we are today it will take longer than a few days. > It takes two short > instances to persuade the adversary to surrender. Indeed, but this is not the whole story of that war. It took years of war before it got to that. > Is there an (inverse) relationship between the capacity of weapons to > do harm (intensity of conflict) and the duration of conflict? Certainly more harm induces peace more quickly - but perhaps not lasting peace. The Brits rapidly defeated the Irish in their war hundreds of years ago. I don't see a lasting peace yet. > (I am not > a military guy--just a theory guy. :) If so, how long before cyber > weapons become sophisticated enough to shorten the length of conflict to > hours/days? If we do things right, infinity. We need to make certain in our designs that this never becomes a possibility. That's one of the many reasons we undertake information protection as a profession. FC -- Fred Cohen at Sandia National Laboratories at tel:925-294-2087 fax:925-294-1225 Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc@all.net - tel/fax:925-454-0171 Fred Cohen - Practitioner in Residence - The University of New Haven This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve. PGP keys: https://all.net/pgpkeys.html - Have a great day!!! ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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