Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1494-996548333-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25420 invoked by uid 510); 31 Jul 2001 02:01:18 -0000 Received: from n1.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.51) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 02:01:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1494-996548333-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2001 02:58:53 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 31 Jul 2001 02:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 36617 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 02:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2001 02:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14501.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.64) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 02:58:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010731025852.2987.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.120.142] by web14501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:58:52 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Cc: abz@llnl.gov In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010730120356.00c927a0@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] news - on the use of a rant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have my second as well with one large exception. Some members of this group understand the problem better that your average FBI type does, HENCE IT IS incumbent upon us not to let matters worsten. To bitch and rank it to do nothing. If no one with IWAR understanding does not work to gain political backing and the bucks to protect that infrastructure, I, for one, will not give the play book away to the bad guys simply to cop an attitude vis a vis how badly things are being handled. Conde Rice and her 21 Deputies from nearly every large agency will be as useful as dopey, laughy, sneezy and their pal, brain dead of the new seven dwarves. This is no longer a game and it is time to put your money where your mouth is. To claim we are the "all knowing" of the IWAR circut and then to do nothing makes you look just as bad as the AOL lover-Im not kidding- on Dr. Rice's Committee. In fact it makes you look worse because you know better. Fred, Tony and company, we have to attempt to effectuate change, or at a min. not allow these fools to damage national security dependent parts of the cyber infrastructure beyond repair. It is a real possibility with the attacks like Code Red, and others from foreign nationals whose goals are to trash that system we rely on. I hate being correct in such situations, but it is hard to deny. I did grow up in a second rate nation and I will do whatever I can to slow down the adversaries. How about you, folks? It is gut check time and I hope you will take the chance at intervention. --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > > > > > > ``The Internet has become indispensible to our national security > and > > economic > > > well-being,'' said Ron Dick, head of the National Infrastructure > > Protection > > > Center, an arm of the FBI. ``Worms like Code Red pose a distinct > threat to > > > the Internet.'' > > > ><RANT> > >No, crappy software poses a distinct threat to our economy and > >national security. These idiots never seem to get the clue that > >until software doesn't suck, we are going to continue having these > >problems. > ></RANT> > > I second that emotion. > > ___tony___ > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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