Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1537-996753404-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 02 Aug 2001 04:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13008 invoked by uid 510); 2 Aug 2001 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from n27.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.77) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 2 Aug 2001 10:59:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1537-996753404-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.56] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2001 11:56:44 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 2 Aug 2001 11:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 82731 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 11:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2001 11:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Aug 2001 11:56:43 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id EAA03330 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:56:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200108021156.EAA03330@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9kberq+93kj@eGroups.com> from "ellisd@cs.ucsb.edu" at Aug 02, 2001 11:51:22 AM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Re: China Skeptical Code Red PC Worm of Chinese Origin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by ellisd@cs.ucsb.edu: ... > are thousands of exploits), a new worm is possible. Until we are able > to better patch our systems (bad solution) or create more secure > systems (better, but harder solution), worms are going to continue to > be a problem. I disagree that it's harder to make systems more secure than to have to constantly patch them. While patches may be inevitable in computer systems as they are in automobiles, when you build a better system the qwuality leads to lasting value. The issue in computers is that the technology has been changing so quickly that "new" has been widely perceived as better than "high quality" - always a mistake when surety is the objective. > Attribution will be nearly impossible and meaningless. I disagree about the limits of attribution. We may be able to do a great deal better than you think. FC --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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