RE: [iwar] Today's events

From: John Sforza (jsforza@rochester.rr.com)
Date: 2001-09-11 21:25:01
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Another thought here - even on a conservative estimate of the number of
casualties we are still looking at TEN TIMES more dead than occurred at
Pearl Harbor (<3000). I remember my parents reaction to the Japanese even
after the war, and let us not forget our nuclear response. I feel that this
has the potential to be the greatest threat to tactical nuclear war since
day one - I have to check what the countdown clock to nuclear destruction is
now set at (does anybody remember the URL?) .

John  Sforza
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:19 PM
> To: Information Warfare Mailing List
> Subject: [iwar] Today's events
>
>
> I thought I would recap today's events with an eye toward many of their
> impacts - beyond the obvious loss of life.  My wild guess is that
> something like 50,000 people - perhaps twice that - perhaps half - have
> lost their lives today in the use of commercial aircraft to attack
> high-profile military (the Pentagon) and commercial (World Trade Center
> Towers) buildings.  Unfortunately, this is likely just the beginning of
> the violence and not the end.  An approximate chronology is included
> below.
>
> The deepest concerns I have at this point stem from the impacts this
> will have on freedoms in the United States.  As you are all aware, after
> Perl Harbor was bombed, people with asian facial characteristics were
> put into prison camps.  While I do not impage that this same thing will
> happen today, it seems all too clear that freedomes are under assault.
> The media and representatives from the US government as well as policy
> groups are starting the rhetoric of reduced freedome - increased
> surveillance, and so forth.  We have seen the Pennsylvania Supreme Court
> rule that there is no expectation of privacy in telephone calls, and
> thus open the doot to audio surveillance.  We see new laws proposed that
> are to mandate government approved security technologies mandated for
> all computers - no doubt with the ability of the government to get what
> they want with ease.  We are already searched at airports and this will
> likely only get more stringent.  Where will it go from here?
>
> Part 2 - We see television reports with people from various Middle
> Eastern nations celebrating this event.  How obvious does it have to be
> that this will result in increased hatred between the muslum and arabic
> nations and the Western European and North American nations? It seems
> almost insane that the willing participants to this do not care that
> they are beggin for a global military conflict which may result in the
> deaths of millions.  Perhaps it is their goal - if so they may well
> achieve it.  The perception management - let's just call it propaganda
> at this point has been so effective that the people in control of
> information sources are beginning to create the wars they have so
> desired.
>
> From my view this is information warfare of the most serious sort.  It
> seems to me that unless we find a way to tone down the rhetoric and stop
> the intentional training of peoples to desire violence, we will continue
> to sink into the pit of war and that this war will expand to the
> detriment of all humanity.
>
> I welcome other views.
>
> FC
> =========================
> Here is a reasonably good chronology of the events:
>
> Chronology of events
>
> 8.42am - An aircraft slams into the northern tower of the World Trade
> Center in New York
>
> 9am - A second aircraft hits the second tower of the World Trade Center
> complex
>
> 9.15am - US markets postpone Tuesday morning openings while the Chicago
> Board of Trade suspends trading in all futures and options markets
>
> 9.30am - Reports of an explosion at the Pentagon
>
> 9.45am - Democratic Front for Liberation of Palestine deny
> responsibility for attacks
>
> 9.55am - The State Department is evacuated after an apparent terrorist
> attack on the World Trade Center in New York, officials said
>
> 9.55am - The White House, State Department and US Treasury Department
> was evacuated
>
> 10am - One of the two towers collapses
>
> 10.05am - All flights departing from U.S.  airports were halted
> indefinitely
>
> 10.10am - Reports of explosion at Capitol Hill building
>
> 10.15am - Confirmation of third aircraft crashing at the Pentagon
>
> 10.15am - U.N.  headquarters building in New York evacuated
>
> 10.25am - All US-bound flights diverted to Canada
>
> 10.30am - Second World Trade Center tower collapses
>
> 10.35am (15.35BST) - Reports of London Stock Exchange being evacuated
>
> - All times local (BST minus 5 hours)
>
> =========================
>
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