Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1773-1000310667-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20727 invoked by uid 510); 12 Sep 2001 16:04:45 -0000 Received: from n29.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.79) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 12 Sep 2001 16:04:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1773-1000310667-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2001 16:04:28 -0000 X-Sender: weavermt@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 12 Sep 2001 16:04:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 96276 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2001 16:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Sep 2001 16:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14609.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.241) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Sep 2001 16:00:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010912155410.34549.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.160.35.228] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:54:10 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1000301443.293.28941.l10@yahoogroups.com> From: Tim Weaver <weavermt@yahoo.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] Thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some observations I posted on another board last night: - - - 1. George Shultz yammering about how nobody could have predicted someone hijacking an airliner and using it as a bomb. I guess he hasn't read "Debt of Honor" by Tom Clancy. 2. "This was the work of a well-coordinated and well funded group who may have had assistance from groundcrew or mechanics in getting weapons on the airplanes...at least 50 people would likely have been needed to coordinate this attack." (synthesis of news talking heads and others) No, I think perhaps it is not as sophisticated or complicated as this. One cell call (from an airplane) indicates about 3 guys with knives/knife-like implements. Figure one or two more in the cockpit. Add one for good measure. That's 6. 6 bad guys * 4 planes = 24 bad guys. As most of us know, airline security is a joke. Also, airline regs allow Leatherman tools and knives up to 4" as carry on. No ground crew needed. Coordination probably equaled: "We want attack to occur roughly at 09:00. What flights leaving where would allow us to hit targest X, Y, and Z at that time?" Think of this from high school math: "Train A leaves Chicago at 7:15 am travelling at 62 mph. Train B leaves Los Angeles at 08:00 am.....I think I got one or two of these right, so my guess is coordinating flights isn't a problem. So, 24 guys on 4 flights with $1,000 tickets = $24,000. Chump change in the terrorist world. I could very well be wrong and likely am. But I think the newsies and talking heads are making this out to be much more complicated than it needs to be. Oh, and one item no one has mentioned that a friends thought of: they picked flights bound for California since they'd have the most fuel and, thus, make a better bomb. - - - Since posting this, it seems that there were 3-5 people per plane with knives and knife-like instruments. One supposedly had a bomb. Some passengers were apparently told to call loved ones because they were going to die. Yet no one did anything. That aside, someone using Microsoft Flight Simulator could have gained enough knowledge to drive a plane into the side of a building. Read a manual or go to a flight school, and you can learn to program where you want it to go. Newsies are making this out to be much more sophisticated than I think it needs to be. Granted, this wasn't a "hey, who amongst us terrorists wants to come with me a blow up Americans?" type of recruitment, but they're making it sound as if hundreds of people and millions of dollars were behind this. Do you know 25 people who could keep a secret? TimW Phoenix __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Do you need to encrypt all your online transactions? Secure corporate intranets? Authenticate your Web sites? Whatever security your site needs, you'll find the perfect solution here! http://us.click.yahoo.com/wOMkGD/Q56CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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