Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1836-1000381603-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20652 invoked by uid 510); 13 Sep 2001 11:47:09 -0000 Received: from n14.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.64) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 11:47:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1836-1000381603-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.54] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2001 11:46:43 -0000 X-Sender: tomlins@cam.org X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 13 Sep 2001 11:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22093 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 11:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2001 11:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.25) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 11:45:19 -0000 Received: from oscar.casa.dyndns.org ([64.229.207.56]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010913113631.TYQ23855.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@oscar.casa.dyndns.org>; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:36:31 -0400 Received: from there (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oscar.casa.dyndns.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 037EAB2B0; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: me To: iwar@yahoogroups.com, Fred Cohen <fc@all.net>, iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200109122238.PAA05373@big.all.net> In-Reply-To: <200109122238.PAA05373@big.all.net> Message-Id: <20010913113633.037EAB2B0@oscar.casa.dyndns.org> From: Ed Tomlinson <tomlins@cam.org> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:36:32 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:We-Must-Fight-This-War] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing to consider. After each of the World Wars actions were taken. One set of actions resulted in another war. The second set of actions resulted in mutual respect, if not friends. We need to be carefull that the actions we take result in _long_ term solutions. Obliterating the current crop of terrorist will just result in a new one. What ever is done has to reduce the probablity of a new crop. Ed Tomlinson On September 12, 2001 06:38 pm, Fred Cohen wrote: > Washington Post > September 12, 2001 > We Must Fight This War > By Robert Kagan > Sept. 11, 2001 -- the date that will live in infamy, the day the post-Cold > War era ended, the day the world for Americans changed utterly. In the > coming days, as rescuers pick through the rubble in New York, in > Washington, in Pittsburgh and who knows where else across the besieged > United States, as the bodies of thousands of dead Americans are uncovered > and as the rest of us weep over the destruction of innocent human life, our > friends and loved ones, we may begin to hear analyses as to why this > "tragedy" has befallen us. There will no doubt be questions raised, sins of > omission and commission in the Middle East alluded to. Even yesterday, as > the flames still burned, the BBC opined that the attacks came because the > United States had failed to get a "grip" on the Middle East. Nothing in > that is strange or odd. After Pearl Harbor, almost exactly 60 years ago, > there were those who argued, with perhaps even more persuasiveness, that > then, too, the United States had somehow invited the Japanese attack. After > all, had we not embargoed Japan's vital oil supply? > One can only hope that America can respond to yesterday's monstrous attack > on American soil -- an attack far more awful than Pearl Harbor -- with the > same moral clarity and courage as our grandfathers did. Not by asking what > we have done to bring on the wrath of inhuman murderers. Not by figuring > out ways to reason with, or try to appease those who have spilled our > blood. Not by engaging in an extended legal effort to arraign, try and > convict killers, as if they were criminals and not warriors. But by doing > the only thing we now can do: Go to war with those who have launched this > awful war against us. Over the past few years there has been a nostalgic > celebration of "The Greatest Generation" -- the generation that fought for > America and for humanity in the Second World War. There's no need for > nostalgia now. That challenge is before us again. The question today is > whether this generation of Americans is made of the same stuff. > Please let us make no mistake this time: We are at war now. We have > suffered the first, devastating strike. Certainly, it is not the last. The > only question is whether we will now take this war seriously, as seriously > as any war we have ever fought, whether we will conduct it with the > intensity and perserverance it requires. Let's not be daunted by the > mysterious and partially hidden identity of our attackers. It will soon > become obvious that only a few terrorist organizations are capable of > carrying out such a massive and coordinated strike. We should pour the > resources necessary into a global effort to hunt them down and capture or > kill them. It will become apparent that those organizations could not have > operated without the assistance of some governments, governments with a > long record of hostility to the United States and an equally long record of > support for terrorism. We should now immediately begin building up our > conventional military forces to prepare for what will inevitably and > rapidly escalate into confrontation and quite possibly war with one or more > of those powers. Congress, in fact, should immediately declare war. It does > not have to name a country. It can declare war against those who have > carried out yesterday's attack and against any nations that may have lent > their support. A declaration of war would not be pure symbolism. It would > be a sign of will and determination to see this conflict through to a > satisfactory conclusion no matter how long it takes or how difficult the > challenge. > Fortunately, with the Cold War over, there are no immediate threats around > the world to prevent us from concentrating our energies and resources on > fighting this war on international terrorism as we have never fought it > before. > The writer, a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International > Peace, writes a monthly column for The Post. > > > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! 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