Re: [iwar] Purity of purpose??? - the problem

From: Fred Cohen (fc@all.net)
Date: 2001-09-18 07:08:48


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Subject: Re: [iwar] Purity of purpose??? - the problem
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Even if this information is true, the fundamental nature of the problem

is that the people involved are so trained to be prediposed in their
beliefs that shaking those beliefs would be very hard.  It would be
trivial to counter - with the same sorts of lies used by these
organizations in the first place.  I'm not very good at it - but it
might go something like this (in many more words...):

	The western infidels are trying to shake your faith with lies.
	Those video tapes are just another one of their technological creations.
	Strike at the heart of those creations by destroying the power
		supplies of the infidels.
	Destroy the evil technology and the evil people that use it.

Countering a life of deception is a complex thing.  Consider those who
lived in the US for months, partook of our food, saw our society, etc. 
Of course they saw evil, but they also saw good, and none of this long
term exposure had an effect on stopping what they did.  The truth is a
fragile thing, and before we rush to say that we have it and they don't,
we need to also consider how outrageous many of our people are.

Tim McVeigh and those of his cult bring up the same issues.  Did we
start a war to eradicate white supremicists after the OK city bombing?

Our own (not exactly mine...) preacher Falwell declared that the bombing
was God's wrath on the Jews and Moslums and other infidels that failed
to see it his way. 

It is fanaticism to the point of killing others that we need to end, and
in truth, the death penalty as applied in the US may well meet this
extreme.  When we put killing others out as God's will, we are all at
risk.

FC

Per the message sent by DrewSchaefer@ftnetwork.com:

> Hi Fred and all,

> I enjoyed the Digest today (or yesterday?), for the first 
> time you (Someone) included Stratfor, to which I first subscribed 
> about a year ago.

> POINT du Jour:

> I've read here or elsewhere, that a great part of the 'Florida
> Group' spent quite a bit of time (assuming more than one occasion)
> at some strip club near their base.  And, consuming alcoholic 
> beverages to no small amount.

> It strikes me, with the little I know of Islamic culture, that to 
> choose the path of a Jihad warrior, and to kill 'the enemy' so as 
> to attain Heaven and reside with Allah, would be not seen as 'pure'
> IF, in doing so, I was drinking vodka to the limits, watching and
> paying nubile young 'Best of the Deep South' strippers earning their
> university tuition.

> THAT would be my IT weapon: to show to the followers that their 
> 'sacrosanct' and 'pure' warriors were no better than their targetted 
> audiences.

> Anyone have any legit reason why that wouldn't be effective? 
> (ie: Jihad allows 'getting prepared' through unusual methodologies)

> Keep it up Fred, (flag, IT or anything!)

> Drew

> Drew Schaefer, JD 
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