Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2013-1000822133-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29824 invoked by uid 510); 18 Sep 2001 14:09:08 -0000 Received: from n24.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.74) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 14:09:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2013-1000822133-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2001 14:08:53 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 18 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 67964 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 14:08:52 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id HAA01755 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:08:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200109181408.HAA01755@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <068ad4727121291EMAIL002@email002> from "DrewSchaefer@ftnetwork.com" at Sep 18, 2001 05:25:30 AM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Purity of purpose??? - the problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even if this information is true, the fundamental nature of the problem is that the people involved are so trained to be prediposed in their beliefs that shaking those beliefs would be very hard. It would be trivial to counter - with the same sorts of lies used by these organizations in the first place. I'm not very good at it - but it might go something like this (in many more words...): The western infidels are trying to shake your faith with lies. Those video tapes are just another one of their technological creations. Strike at the heart of those creations by destroying the power supplies of the infidels. Destroy the evil technology and the evil people that use it. Countering a life of deception is a complex thing. Consider those who lived in the US for months, partook of our food, saw our society, etc. Of course they saw evil, but they also saw good, and none of this long term exposure had an effect on stopping what they did. The truth is a fragile thing, and before we rush to say that we have it and they don't, we need to also consider how outrageous many of our people are. Tim McVeigh and those of his cult bring up the same issues. Did we start a war to eradicate white supremicists after the OK city bombing? Our own (not exactly mine...) preacher Falwell declared that the bombing was God's wrath on the Jews and Moslums and other infidels that failed to see it his way. It is fanaticism to the point of killing others that we need to end, and in truth, the death penalty as applied in the US may well meet this extreme. When we put killing others out as God's will, we are all at risk. FC Per the message sent by DrewSchaefer@ftnetwork.com: > Hi Fred and all, > I enjoyed the Digest today (or yesterday?), for the first > time you (Someone) included Stratfor, to which I first subscribed > about a year ago. > POINT du Jour: > I've read here or elsewhere, that a great part of the 'Florida > Group' spent quite a bit of time (assuming more than one occasion) > at some strip club near their base. And, consuming alcoholic > beverages to no small amount. > It strikes me, with the little I know of Islamic culture, that to > choose the path of a Jihad warrior, and to kill 'the enemy' so as > to attain Heaven and reside with Allah, would be not seen as 'pure' > IF, in doing so, I was drinking vodka to the limits, watching and > paying nubile young 'Best of the Deep South' strippers earning their > university tuition. > THAT would be my IT weapon: to show to the followers that their > 'sacrosanct' and 'pure' warriors were no better than their targetted > audiences. > Anyone have any legit reason why that wouldn't be effective? > (ie: Jihad allows 'getting prepared' through unusual methodologies) > Keep it up Fred, (flag, IT or anything!) > Drew > Drew Schaefer, JD > 41 76 549 1907 (Mobile #), > 9, ruelle des Galeries > 1248 Hermance, Suisse > ***************************************************** > "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119 > ****************************************************** > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Get your free e-mail account at http://www.ftnetwork.com > Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Do you need to encrypt all your online transactions? Secure corporate intranets? 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