RE: [iwar] A Hard Problem

From: Leo, Ross (Ross.Leo@csoconline.com)
Date: 2001-09-21 15:38:55


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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:38:55 -0500
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Subject: RE: [iwar] A Hard Problem
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The only thing that really seems hard (for everyone) is having to pay the
price for questionable practices, policies, and "marriages of convenience".
In one sense it is much like committing a crime...if you didn't believe you
had a better than even chance of getting away with it, you probably wouldn't
commit it in the first place.  We all perform some sort of risk management
every day.

Your last line echoes the diplomatic disasters, started in the late '40's
and '50's by us in So America and elsewhere (Iran springs to mind), that
eventually got the US hip-deep in Fascists, even while it kept Communists
"out".  The old Domino theory rearing its ugly head again?

Again, a timely comment  from a voice of reason.  Thanks, Tony.

Ross A. Leo

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From: Tony Bartoletti [mailto:azb@llnl.gov]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 17:29
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [iwar] A Hard Problem


I would like to expand on the problem Fred poses.

Let us assume that, although some violation of civil rights in the US and 
(for instance) Europe may occur, that these will be dealt with and 
rectified eventually by the strong democratic institutions that are in 
place.  (And let us hope that I am not guilty of wishful thinking.)

At the other extreme, we understand how (again, for instance) Pakistan will 
be in a very difficult position to assist in "rooting out terrorists" when 
its ruling regime sees its very existence threatened from internal 
forces.  Granted, this is a bed of their own making, to some degree, and 
there will not be much western sympathy for that situation.  We do not tend 
to worry much about whether Pakistan will respect the civil liberties of 
its citizens in its assistance to our anti-terror campaign.

What concerns me are the ... "middle countries".  I am not sure who these 
are specifically (Malasia, Phillipines, etc).  In years past, we might be 
discussing Marcos in the Phillipines, or other self-declared "Presidents 
for life" of institutions that wrap the term "democratic republic" about 
themselves as if it has meaning to them.

What will/should be the US response to regimes that might interpret 
themselves as having a free hand to engage in the mass murder of their 
political challengers, under the guise of "assisting the US-led coalition 
in rooting out terrorism."

The very last thing the west needs right now is to be seen as giving a 
moral "carte blanc" to "western-leaning" totalitarian regimes.

Thoughts?


>[Original] Subject: [iwar] Bus speech and some comments
>
>
>Bush's speech was, no doubt, the finest of his career, but underlying
>his comments were some issues I think are worth serious consideration.
>
>As many of you already know there were anti-war demonstrations by
>students throughout the US yesterday.  They fear the draft, of going to
>war without a well defined enemy, and of the potential for government to
>assume too much power over peoples' lives.
>
>Bush asked for, among other things, lots of money, a poorly defined
>mission, and the right to not EVER tell our citizens what is actually
>being done.  He also asked for expanded intelligence powers and
>lessenning of civil rights.
>
>We must watch such things very closely in my view.
>
>FC

Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov>
Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Livermore, CA 94551-9900






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