Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2346-1001447275-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29139 invoked by uid 510); 25 Sep 2001 19:49:15 -0000 Received: from n6.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.56) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:49:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2346-1001447275-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.221] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2001 19:48:55 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 25 Sep 2001 19:47:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 32333 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2001 19:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 25 Sep 2001 19:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2001 19:32:16 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA04308 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id MAA16295 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010925122124.00b6ebf0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200109250252.TAA14220@big.all.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010924182256.00b625c0@poptop.llnl.gov> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:33:15 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] - a bit of clarification on the 'facts' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 07:52 PM 9/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >[FC - When I posted it I knew it was propaganda - but I didn't figure it >would generate a response - so here is my take on what Tony noticed.] I too felt it was most likely a straightforward propaganda piece (although it also reads like something that an honest, if conspiracy-minded person might write after reading a lot of "stuff" presented as facts.) In any case, I thought it would be a good exercise to disassemble each observation, noting the admixtures of the truth, the possible and the implausible. I did not address the "Israeli's cheering of the rooftop" comment, as it is likely an unverifiable in the extreme. However, even if I am sure there were crowds, some of Palestinians, that were cheering the news of the attack, it is still the height of irresponsibility and dishonesty, in my opinion, for archival footage (if that is what it was) being substituted for contemporary fact. It would be chillingly Orwellian if true, and could not be excused. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JNm9_D/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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