Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2430-1001601430-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 441 invoked by uid 510); 27 Sep 2001 14:37:28 -0000 Received: from n26.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.76) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 14:37:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2430-1001601430-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2001 14:37:11 -0000 X-Sender: bkdelong@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 27 Sep 2001 14:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 81142 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 14:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.4.52 with QMQP; 27 Sep 2001 14:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brain-stream.com) (209.95.107.206) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 14:36:56 -0000 Received: from dreadnought.pobox.com (h005004dffe6f.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.110.237]) by brain-stream.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28792 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010927100645.059e01f0@brain-stream.com> X-Sender: bkdelong@brain-stream.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200109271402.HAA12522@big.all.net> From: "B.K. DeLong" <bkdelong@pobox.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:38:09 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 07:02 AM 09/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > 2. Report of suspicious activity to law enforcement immediately to > > facilitate the warning and investigative processes (Page 19) > >As in (1) above, this is likely to further overburden law enforcement >and create an inability to differentiate or respond to the most >important events. Agreed and how do you quantify what should really be reported to law enforcement? Even prior to said terrorist events there is an incredible amount of "suspicious activity", much of which caused by kids and ex-employees of companies within the US. I must say, scanning through this report I am QUITE disappointed with all the "events" pointed out from Israel/Palestine to US - Chinese plane incident to Kashmir to Yugoslavia. All of which were perpetrated by script kiddies in their respective countries. There might have been a few incidents in the Israel/Palestine conflict that may have been specifically targeted but the rest of this is just bullshit kidiot activity. If Vatis REALLY wanted to put the fear of god in people he'd mention in 1994 when some idiot who thought it might be funny to shut off a rival hacker's power hacked into some hydroelectric dam and had access to the floodgates. Or perhaps a security system of an airport in Florida that had an open dialup without password protection. What about the REAL infrastructure issues like power, water, etc? Why aren't we hearing real stories about that? Besides the California Power grid being stumbled upon? Or the age-old story of the kid who got into the ATC system of a Worcester airport? All the stuff referenced in the four "conflicts" we primarily Web site defacements and DDoSs of non-critical networks....sometimes individual Web servers. The biggest DDoS to date was that of Feb 2000 - and it wasn't even conflict related. The worm viruses referenced most likely had nothing to do with the conflicts themselves - they merely took advantage of the fact that the incidents were in people's minds as they were in the news and were simply used as a means for getting people to click on the program to launch the worm.... Unbelievable - this report may have worse of an effect in regards to justifying US kiddies activity than the "Wag the Delio" incident that prolonged the US/China spree. -- B.K. DeLong bkdelong@pobox.com 617.877.3271 http://www.brain-stream.com Play. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org Potter. http://www.attrition.org Security. http://www.artemisiabotanicals.com Herb. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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