Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2437-1001605651-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5055 invoked by uid 510); 27 Sep 2001 15:47:48 -0000 Received: from n25.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.75) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 15:47:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2437-1001605651-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2001 15:47:32 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 27 Sep 2001 15:47:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 71639 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 15:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.4.52 with QMQP; 27 Sep 2001 15:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 15:47:00 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id IAA14651 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:47:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200109271547.IAA14651@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010927112621.04be43c0@brain-stream.com> from "B.K. DeLong" at Sep 27, 2001 11:29:00 AM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by B.K. DeLong: > At 08:19 AM 09/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >I think that the problem was and remains that things that the rest of us > >know are still classified by the government. I looked at a classified ... > Well that's annoying....you can't even reference articles where said > classified events were reported? That is correct. To make comment when you have classified knowledge would, potentially, be to confirm or deny the information based on that knowledge. That is one of the reasons I tend to use phrases like: According to [citation] blah blah blah. If that is the case, then yuck yuck yuck. > How can our nation get up in arms about shitty security if we aren't > allowed to hear about it. Rhodes and other GAO people's reports can only do > so much to get the ball rolling. I have many opinions on this matter, but the key here is the so-called "equities issue". My view is that the equities are all screwed up and that this is a large part of the reason we have inadequate protection in most cases. The current headlong rush into government surveillance and restrictions on information protection research and technologies is, in my view, an example of the equities going further out of whack. FC --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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