Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4220-1010334544-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8150 invoked by uid 510); 6 Jan 2002 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from n28.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.78) by all.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 16:29:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4220-1010334544-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.190] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2002 16:29:04 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 16:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17896 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 16:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 16:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (12.232.125.69) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 16:29:01 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g06GTOg16795; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:29:24 -0800 Message-Id: <200201061629.g06GTOg16795@red.all.net> To: secedu@yahoogroups.com (Security Educators), iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:29:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [iwar] Solicitation for stupid things you have heard. Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to solicit the list members of these forums to help me with an article I am writing for Managing Network Security. I extract here from the current draft beginning of the article in the hopes that those of you who are interested will provide the raw material I need... ------------- I have heard many decision makers and executives say things that went unchallenged even though they were dead wrong. the reason they went unchallenged varried with the situation, but I think there are three basic areas of rational. (1) The person they were talking to perceived themselves as less powerful and did not wish to offend, (2) the person they were talking to did not know the facts and simply bought into the misimpression of the more senior person without questioning it, or (3) the person they were talking to was afraid of offending the executive because they wanted something from the executive and figured you go along to get along. Well, I don't perceive myself as less powerful than anyone, I know some of the facts, and the chances of my getting any money from anyone like that are so poor that I have nothing to lose. So I am going os a brief crusade this month fighting the stupid things I have heard high-level people say about security issues, particularly those who were believed by others and whose expressions found their way into widespread belief. Of course to really do this well, I need a list of the ten most stupid things people have said so I can trash them. Of course to really do this well, I need a list of the ten most stupid things people have said so I can trash them. Rather than come up with my own list, I have decided to ask others to list the ones they have heard, and I will sprinkle in one or two of my favorites along the way. ------------- Please feel free to respond directly to me (fc@all.net) or to the list (if you want the list members angry at you). FC --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sponsored by VeriSign - The Value of Trust Pinpoint the right security solution for your company - FREE Guide from industry leader VeriSign gives you all the facts. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pCuuSA/WdiDAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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