Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4265-1010617472-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10608 invoked by uid 510); 9 Jan 2002 23:04:52 -0000 Received: from n24.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.74) by all.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 23:04:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4265-1010617472-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.187] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2002 23:04:32 -0000 X-Sender: Ross.Leo@csoconline.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 23:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 64868 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 23:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 23:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO csoc-fire1.csoconline.com) (140.169.2.142) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 23:04:31 -0000 Received: from csoc-mail-imc.csoconline.com by csoc-fire1.csoconline.com via smtpd (for mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com [216.115.97.172]) with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 23:04:30 UT Received: by csoc-mail-imc.csoconline.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <CKDJT36P>; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:01:25 -0600 Message-ID: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A1079C3265@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> To: "'iwar@yahoogroups.com'" <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "George Guillory (E-mail)" <george.guillory@compaq.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Leo, Ross" <Ross.Leo@csoconline.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:04:35 -0600 Subject: RE: [iwar] Re: [fc:Arms.Seizure.Backfires,.Wounds.Israel] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What was it Sherlock Holmes said? Paraphrasing... When you have a proven event as your point of origin, and you must prove beyond a reasonable doubt how that event came into existence, you must methodically eliminate all of the plausible possibilities that would account for that event's existence. But, once you have eliminated all the plausible possibilities, all that remains is the implausible impossibilities with which to explain the presence of that event in cold, objective reality. I also remember the First Rule of Dictatorial Prevarication (not invented by Hitler, but employed to great advantage by him): "If you have ambitions to achieve Dictatorial Power, and the will to work for it, have a clearly identifiable enemy or scapegoat (real or manufactured) on which to blame the conditions you plan to use as platform, can create a hostile ambiance that takes full advantage of the emotions of the masses, you must then create a "big lie" that embodies the foregoing, painting you as the solution to "the problem" and the "saviour". Once you have these foundation stones in place, you only need to tell the same lie (each time in different but self-reinforcing words depending on context and audience) repeatedly, at every opportunity. If you tell it big enough, loud enough, and long enough to enough people, it will attain the appearance of truth in everyone's' minds. The rest will follow automatically." Cheers. Ross A. Leo, CISSP, CBCP Director, IT Security Engineering & Site Security Manager for JSC -----Original Message----- From: Lewis Z. Koch [mailto:lzkoch@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 16:37 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com; iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Re: [fc:Arms.Seizure.Backfires,.Wounds.Israel] My "reasonable evidence" for putting Tonga in caps (after I had written it the usual manner one word prior) was for dramatic emphasis. In Chicago, where I come from, someone who registered a ship in Tonga, would be thought of as someone "not able to take a shake." You don't find it suspicious that a ship, owned by an Iraqi national, a Lebanese-flagged vessel, operated by the Beirut-based Diana K. Shipping Co. and sold in August 2001 to Ali Mohammed Abbas for $400,000, finally to be re-registered in thousands of miles away in Tonga, an island monarchy located in Western Polynesia -you don't find that a bit SUSPECT? "...stupid upper case antisc in your email," as you put it. Perhaps. But one would have to be as dumb as a box of rocks, "televr" <yangyun@metacrawler.com>, to buy into that pile of hapless excuses. Lew Koch Lew Koch At 09:37 PM 1/9/2002 +0000, televr wrote: >--- In iwar@y..., "Lewis Z. Koch" <lzkoch@a...> wrote: > > At 10:14 PM 1/8/2002 -0800, Fred Cohen wrote: > > >Arms Seizure Backfires, Wounds Israel > > >2120 GMT, 020108 > > Let's see....we got a ship owned by an Iraqi national, >Lebanese-flagged, > > registered in > > Beiruit and then registered in Tonga. TONGA? And this is supposed to " > > lends credence to the Palestinian > > denials and countercharges that Israel manipulated the seizure to >derail > > peace talks." > >If you have any reasonable evidence as to why Tonga registration is >questionable, perhaps you could share it with the world instead of the >stupid upper case antisc in your email. > > > > >------------------ >http://all.net/ > >Your use of Yahoo! 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