Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4472-1013758744-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18562 invoked by uid 510); 15 Feb 2002 07:39:18 -0000 Received: from n7.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.57) by all.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 07:39:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4472-1013758744-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.162] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2002 07:39:04 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 07:39:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 32237 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 07:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 07:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14508.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 07:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020215073902.11206.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.121.179] by web14508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:39:02 PST To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200202150625.g1F6Psk09088@red.all.net> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:39:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Microsoft.changes.Windows.XP.online.'Product.Use.Rights'] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I beta tested XP-forgive me, but part of my job- and this was the first time I had seen very heavy handed legalese concerning "Piracy". I know the fellow at Microsoft that runs this program and with the advent of cd-burners, the product ID that you had to have to use your cd-rom was not going to help Billy and friends gets ALL of their royalties anymore. Thus this scheme of volume licensing came up so that each copy must be paid for. EX-if you are the sys admin of a cluster of 20 PC's, the "volume" concept is that even if you only get one physical disc for XP, you will have to pay for 20. A yearly subscription fee may become part of this deal until they loose enough customers that they will get their sanity back. While step one, volume licenses is happening even with Linux and other OS, the yearly fee on top may be a killer for Microsoft given how large they are planning to make it. It is the Country Club concept; pay a huge entrance fee with yearly upkeep. Possibly the high volume fees help other operating systems in the market win MS market share, or they price themselves out of the market with volume and annual fees. Then Microsoft's stock price stability will fall like a rock, P/E ratios do the same and they will be forced to get their pricing sanity back. If you add this to Fred's info below, the entire package could be setting Microsoft up for a large fall. Micrales do occur. --- Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: > Microsoft changes Windows XP online 'Product Use Rights' > > InfoWorld, 2/14/02 > <a > href="http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/02/11/020211opfoster.xml">http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/02/11/020211opfoster.xml> > > BILL GATES SAYS security is Microsoft's top priority, but just whose > security does he have in mind? Consider some of Microsoft's recent > boilerplate legalese -- language you or your company might already > have > unknowingly accepted -- and then decide for yourself. > > The language is contained in the Product Use Rights (PUR) document > that > can be found at www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources. As the PUR > document is part of most customers' volume license agreements and is > subject to periodic change, in theory Microsoft customers should > check > it regularly to see what rights Microsoft has decided to grant or > take > away. > > You can be forgiven if you feel like you have better things to do > with > your life than reading and rereading all this mind-numbing legal > gobbledygook. Fortunately, one Microsoft customer did review the PUR > document recently and noticed a change. In the section on Windows XP > Professional, he found the "Internet-Based Services Components" > paragraph that said in part, "You acknowledge and agree that > Microsoft > may automatically check the version of the Product and/or its > components > that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the > Product > that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer." > > The reader was stunned. "By changing that term in the PUR, Microsoft > has > found a creative way to obtain authorization from users to access > their > workstations at will," he said. "How many customers are going to > review > this PDF file and realize they've given Microsoft this right? And all > the risk for the security and privacy violations due to this are > neatly > put on the customer's shoulders, not Microsoft's." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! 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