Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4582-1015520382-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27494 invoked by uid 510); 7 Mar 2002 16:59:59 -0000 Received: from n23.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.73) by all.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 16:59:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4582-1015520382-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.187] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2002 16:59:42 -0000 X-Sender: bugsbuny@bestweb.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 16:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 67749 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 15:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO carmine.bestweb.net) (209.94.102.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 15:05:28 -0000 Received: from bugsbuny (dialin-622-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net [216.179.3.114]) by carmine.bestweb.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BD8D23A80 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:06:16 -0500 (EST) To: iwar@yahoogroups.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <20020307052303.53154.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <ZTA8WVXUCBWTJ32QXSDBZVVPEASRL.3c87814a@bugsbuny> X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1041 X-eGroups-From: bugsbuny@bestweb.net From: skolyamibyor@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Profile: skolyamibyor Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:03:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Security.Systems.Standards.and.Certification.Act] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precisely the discussion I hoped to inspire with my little question. Commerce (whether capitalized or not) is running the show these days. Next time you're in, say, Walmart or CVS, take a good look around at their most prominent displays. The National Enquirer (a known propaganda factory aimed at the hopelessly ignorant and gullible); magazines like Seventeen, Self, Cosmo, and Redbook that try to focus women on trivia like Great Sex! Hide those wrinkles! Lose that flab! 99 Jeans that shape your butt! and so on. And then there's the latest issue of Family Circle: In the center is a big text announcement about a new way to lose weight, but it's surrounded by large photos of chocolate- frosted cookies and cakes. This "Distract, Confuse, Divert, & SELL!" phenomenon first hit me in the face in 1988 when I returned to the States after living in Ireland for 6 years. It was bad enough then to cause serious culture shock; now it's just plain scary. Any opinions as to the who's behind this madness and their true motives? SKByor 3/7/2002 12:23:03 AM, "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > To: iwar@yahoogroups.com > > From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) > Subject:Re: [iwar] [fc:Security.Systems.Standards.and.Certification.Act] > > > > > Tony- take it one step worse. The Sec Commerce is is reality the Sec. of > Graft, Vice and international trade scams for the President. Makes it all > legal and tidy. I recognize that export controls and others matters of non- > import according to the Prez is handled by Commerce. It seems like if a > President is going to hit the international trade ooze, Commerce will be > more than ready to help out. In some cases, defense exports are dealt with > by Commerce. That is so wrong that it is hard to notice anyone seeing it > right. > They always seem to make John Goti seem like an alter boy! > skolyamibyor <skolyamibyor@yahoo.com> wrote: Reads that way to me too. > Hmmm... Why the Secretary of > COMMERCE, anyway? As a (now-relocated) "DC Brat," > Commerce is the LAST department who should be > enforcing digital security standards. Commerce and > technology are two totally different beasts--or are > they? > SKByor > --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > > By my read of this act, it would be illegal for me > > to write a simple > > "hex-dump" utility, using a standard C compiler, and > > then share (i.e., > > "traffic in") it with anyone. It this how others > > read it? > > > > "Compiling Without a License - Punishable By Law" > > > > Slight rearrangement of elements below, to make the > > case. > > > > > > At 07:32 AM 3/4/02 -0800, Declan wrote: > > >Security Systems Standards and Certification Act > > > > > >Sponsors: Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-S.C.), chairman of > > the Senate Commerce > > >committee, and Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Draft > > dated August 6, 2001. This > > >bill has not been introduced as of September 7, > > 2001. > > > > [snip] > > > > >Sec. 101: Prohibition of Certain Devices > > > > > >(a) In General -- It is unlawful to manufacture, > > import, offer to the > > >public, provide or otherwise traffic in any > > interactive digital device that > > >does not include and utilize certified security > > technologies that adhere to > > >the security system standards adopted under section > > 104. > > > > Where "interactive digital device" is defined by: > > > > >(3) Interactive digital device -- The term > > "interactive digital device" > > >means "any machine, device, product, software, or > > technology, whether or not > > >included with or as part of some other machine, > > device, product, software, > > >or technology, that is designed, marketed or used > > for the primary purpose > > >of, and that is capable of, storing, retrieving, > > processing, performing, > > >transmitting, receiving, or copying information in > > digital form." > > > > And "certified security technology" is defined by: > > > > >(1) Certified security technology -- The term > > "certified security > > >technology" means a security technology certified > > by the Secretary of > > >Commerce under section 105. > > > > > > Thus, unless and until I get my lousy "hex-dump" > > utility (interactive > > digital device) to utilize "a security technology > > certified by the > > Secretary of Commerce" (certified security > > technology), I will be in > > violation of federal law if and when I "offer to the > > public, provide, or > > otherwise traffic in" this simple utility. > > > > ____tony____ > > > > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! 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