Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4658-1021435378-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 14 May 2002 21:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20001 invoked by uid 510); 15 May 2002 04:05:46 -0000 Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.72) by all.net with SMTP; 15 May 2002 04:05:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4658-1021435378-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 04:02:58 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 04:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8436 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 04:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 04:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14504.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 04:02:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020515040257.44864.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.119.16] by web14504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2002 21:02:57 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020514044530.55817.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:Warning.on.Cyberattack.'Exaggerated'] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <P> <P>I agree, but only last year at the NDU Joint Forces Con, primarily the brass thought that it truely was not possible that 3000 people would die on 9-11 this year. The world changes as so does cyber abuse. Who knows-some day the ante will be go up at the right time, and the world may change again?</P> <P> <B><I>"e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT><BR>Hi Tony and all:<BR>It does not even require the diabolical-everything from bored kids who think crashing high priced systems is fun are in play, but it is a problem that the most seruious of foes, foreign and financed, will use to potentially turn this into a cyber sabre of a 21 C War.The US has been painfully slow to recognize cyber attacks as a serious problem and while some say " no one has died" from cyber threats, who knows who the future brings as society become even more dependant on computers for nearly everthing. The military services are each putting manpower and money to this problem and while that does not mean any answers are at hand, it is a needed demonstration of concern. If a war were on, a cyber attack on critical command and control functions could cause the US to have troops killed through no direction at all, or misdirection by our adversaries.<BR>Even last year while intelligence started picking up signs that an attack on the US by terrorists was a possibility, no one really believed anyone would be fool hearty enough to attack us at home. A new world order dropped in on nearly 3,000 people on 9-11. Cyber attacks may not have found leathality as yet, but DOD is now looking at a great number of possibilities these days that in the recent past, seem to be a threat to no one. This is no longer hacker kids out for some fun, it is serious and for example the Chinese have now taught a battalion of PLA soldiers to break into systems all over the world. That is a forboding matter that we all should start to think and plan for. That should give us all pause.<BR> Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: At 05:18 PM 5/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:<BR>> >>Warning on Cyberattack 'Exaggerated'<BR>><BR>>I still think we should siphon another few billion $$$ out of the physical<BR>>counter-terrorism fund. Ignore those who fear ephemeral threats like bio-,<BR>>aero-, and agri-terrorism. Those threats only killed, what, a few thousand<BR>>people in the last year? Bah. Most of those deaths occurred on one day. I<BR>>dismiss it as a statistical anomaly. We desperately need to protect our PCs<BR>>from diabolical cyber-terrorists who can destroy all flora & fauna in North<BR>>America with just 105 lines of Word macro source code.<BR><BR><BR>Granted that, in and of itself, a "massive cyber-attack" seems not to have <BR>the destructive potential (and certainly not the get-wrenching visuals) of <BR>a spectacular physical attack.<BR><BR>But in coordination with a widespread physical attack, confusion of the <BR>cyber-situation can lead to increased casualties due to panic, <BR>inappropriate direction of response efforts, etc.<BR><BR>And as far as the billions dedicated to "Physical Counter-Terrorism", ask <BR>yourself how much it costs to activate national guard to patrol airport <BR>corridors, bringing thousands of loaded weapons into those facilities. 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