Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4701-1022041826-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 21 May 2002 21:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3090 invoked by uid 510); 22 May 2002 04:30:20 -0000 Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.65) by all.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 04:30:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4701-1022041826-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2002 04:30:26 -0000 X-Sender: gbayley@ausmac.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 04:30:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4459 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 04:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 04:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ausmac.net) (203.12.68.15) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 04:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 3649 invoked by uid 1000); 22 May 2002 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 May 2002 04:30:23 -0000 To: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Cc: iwar@yahoogroups.com, <2600-list@wiretapped.net> In-Reply-To: <200205220419.g4M4JfK23717@red.all.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0205221420500.17909-100000@ausmac.net> From: Grant Bayley <gbayley@ausmac.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: dogcow2600au Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:30:23 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:NAI.is.now.taking.steps.to.remove.the.remaining.copies.of.PGP.from.Internet] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fred, Keep in mind that of the couple of crypto/security archives out there, the radiusnet one is basically the "abortion" of the bunch. It's disorganised and out of date in so many places as to be dangerous. Further, it appears the version of PGP that they were carrying on the site was in fact a commercial version, rather than the non-commercial, "freeware" version that the PGPi site and it's mirrors carry. You can confirm this in the Google Cache, here: http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:QA-H5VtPvP4C:crypto.radiusnet.net/archive/pgp/+&hl=en Given that this is the case, NAI is well within their rights to ask radiusnet to immediately remove it. By "other sites", I'm referring to Wiretapped (www.wiretapped.net, which I operate), munitions.vipul.net, the zedz.net archives (ftp://ftp.zedz.net/) and Packetstorm (www.packetstormsecurity.org). If this is the straw that breaks the radiusnet camel's back, I for one won't be complaining, if only because of the old and out of date material on the site. In the case of tools that perform a security function using crypto (IPSec, ssh etc), being updated is critical, as a number of the older versions of the software have contained serious security problems. Grant ------------------------------------------------------- Grant Bayley gbayley@ausmac.net -Admin @ AusMac Archive, Wiretapped.net, 2600 Australia www.ausmac.net www.wiretapped.net www.2600.org.au ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 21 May 2002, Fred Cohen wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:03:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Meyer Wolfsheim <<a href="mailto:wolf@priori.net?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">wolf@priori.net</a> > > NAI is now taking steps to remove the remaining copies of PGP from the > Internet, not long after announcing that the company will not release its > fully completed Mac OS X and Windows XP versions, and will no longer sell > any copies of its PGP software. > > Do we still believe this was a pure cost-cutting measure? > > > From: http://crypto.radiusnet.net/archive/pgp/index.html > > ================================================ > > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:01:40 -0500 > From: <a href="mailto:Peter_Beruk@NAI.com?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">Peter_Beruk@NAI.com</a> > To: <a href="mailto:root@radiusnet.net?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">root@radiusnet.net</a>, > <a href="mailto:webmaster@radiusnet.net?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">webmaster@radiusnet.net</a> > Subject: Network Associates, Inc. DMCA Notice > > [ The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] > [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] > [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] > > DMCA NOTICE OF INFRINGING MATERIAL > > Via Email: <a href="mailto:root@radiusnet.net?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">root@radiusnet.net</a>; > <a href="mailto:webmaster@radiusnet.net?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">webmaster@radiusnet.net</a>; > Re: Digital Millennium Copyright Act Notice > Dear Radiusnet.net > I am writing on behalf of Networks Associates, Inc. and its affiliated > companies (collectively, "Network Associates"). As you may know, Network > Associates is a leading provider of computer software for network security > and management. Among its business units are such well-known names as > McAfee, PGP Security, Sniffer Technologies, and Magic Solutions. > We have learned that Radiusnet.Net is providing access on its system or > network to material that infringes the copyrighted work of Network > Associates. In particular, I refer you to the web pages located at > http://crypto.radiusnet.net/archive/pgp > which contains links from your site > that provide unauthorized copies of NAI proprietary materials, including > software. The material on this web site infringes Network Associates' > valuable copyrights. > Accordingly, Network Associates requests that Radiusnet.Net immediately > remove or disable access to this infringing material. You should know that > Network Associates takes its intellectual property rights seriously. By > bringing this matter to your attention, we hope that Radiusnet.Net will act > promptly to remedy this problem. > We have a good faith belief that use of the material described above is not > authorized by Network Associates, any of its agents, or the law. To the > best of our knowledge, the information contained in this notification is > accurate. > Under penalty of perjury, I am authorized to act on behalf of Network > Associates. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me at the > address listed above. You can also reach me by e-mail at > <a href="mailto:peter_beruk@nai.com?Subject=Re:%20(ai)%20FW:%20FC:%20Network%20Associates%20thwaps%20PGP%20sites%20with%20DMCA%20nastystick%2526In-Reply-To=%2526lt;B91052CC.30C86%25rforno@infowarrior.org">peter_beruk@nai.com</a> > or by phone at +1 301-947-7150. > Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. > Sincerely, > > > Peter Beruk > Director, Anti-Piracy Programs > > Peter Beruk > Director, Anti-Piracy Programs > Network Associates, Inc. > Phone: +1.301.947.7150 > Fax: +1.301.527.0482 > > > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Tied to your PC? Cut Loose and Stay connected with Yahoo! Mobile http://us.click.yahoo.com/QBCcSD/o1CEAA/sXBHAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! 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