Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4734-1022799348-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 30 May 2002 15:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22000 invoked by uid 510); 30 May 2002 22:55:28 -0000 Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.84) by all.net with SMTP; 30 May 2002 22:55:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4734-1022799348-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 22:55:48 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 22:55:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 46351 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 22:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 22:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14504.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 22:55:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020530225546.1502.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.116.33] by web14504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:55:46 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200205301514.g4UFEvd13249@red.all.net> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [iwar] The government must be crazy /Retorte Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,SUPERLONG_LINE version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: Reply to FC: Might all of the FBI hand waiving and decision making to massively regoranize in reality be an attepmt to dodge the Congressional review? For the FBI to add another 521 Intelligence specialists at HQ-always a lower life form than any S.A.C-.as well as 500 more SAC's across the country and a few Legat's world wide, and lets not forget its new Division of Intellence, They do not have the ability to do much more than play musical chairs. The FBI cannot expand its staff by 1,000 even over a year's time. This is clearly the Bureau's attempt to scathe off the impending Congressional Joint House- Senate Investigation into the events before and after 9-11.The staff director will not officially be in place until June 11th. With a new Director at the helm, size, money and logic says the Joint Committee will win this game. The Bureau has set up an internal review of its actions and Fmr Director Louie Freeh and a few of his senior men will certainly be the center stage there. Fall guys are a requisite for Washington dramas on this scale. Such internal reviews cannot ever see its own errors, and thus will fail. Look at the people involved when such matters occur. If the Committee has it's way(it is being run on a blank check at present and the Deputy Dir is a former CIA-IG who ran many investigations over a long and distingished career). Concerning the FBIs Reorg attempt, this is simply eye-wash for the America people so Bush new Director looks good. His problem: There is not enough room to assimilate 521 intel spec at HQ even over a year. Adding 500 field agents as well is nuts. Over 1,000 people will litterally be tripping over each others investigations and the Director, like Gov Tom Ridge and the Office of Homeland Defense, will have an uncontrollable mess on his hands. Remember, that Congress can simply say NO to the directors funding requests. Then what we will have is the Special Committee, comprised of a wide variety of people at present, such that one single agency can not control the outcome. Perhaps I'm not that suspicious, or I have see too many pre-emptive IC reorg ATTEMPTS not succeed, but this one in particular will hit the ground with a large thud. That is how may in DC observe the situation, at present. At this drama's end, I am willing to bet that the Joint Committee will be handing out the Intelligence Communities marching orders, similar to the 1975 Church Commission. The US will air its dirty laundry, and smartly march on. I have no doubt this will be a political battle royale, as most in Congress foresee it now. Number one, of course, will be a demand that more timely intelligence sharing occur between all members of the IC. Will that work, only time will tell, but we have to give it a go?. Many a double spy, like Rick Ames and John Walker would have been grabbed long before they each were if such a finding were in place.. If the CIA and FBI would have been forced to share key inttlibits in the summer of 01, this nation might have dodged the entire mess. This was never an "intelligence failure" as information was in the pipeline. Intelligence is only information, not policy. Their is some blame downtown, as well. In the end, road blocks allowed this disaster to occur. So too, did very different bureaucratic cultures. On Pennslyvania Ave.-from one end to the other- is where you can find the people who failed us all. Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: A personal opinion: So here we start to find out that the FBI might have been able to stop the 9/11 attacks had their internal process lacked stupid bureaucratic blockades. The resulting decisions: 1) Increase their power to snoop on the public 2) Centralize the investigative process 3) Increase funding to reduce failure rates In other words, if you do a bad job, you get rewarded with more money, if your centralization was the problem you build a bigger centralized system, and if you had the information you needed but failed to use is properly you get more information. Pardon me - but I think this is ass backwards. Somebody should tell some of our political elite that the solution to this problem starts with firing people at the top, reducing budget to those who failed, decentralizing control, and getting better at evaluating the information you already have. - More money will lead to more abuse. - More centralization will lead to worse investigative processes. - More information gathering will make it harder to get meaning out of what you get. FC --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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