Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4775-1023417832-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5608 invoked by uid 510); 7 Jun 2002 02:49:47 -0000 Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.73) by all.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 02:49:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4775-1023417832-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2002 02:43:52 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 02:43:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 5332 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 02:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 02:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (12.232.72.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 02:43:51 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g572ksd06898 for iwar@onelist.com; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:46:54 -0700 Message-Id: <200206070246.g572ksd06898@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [iwar] [fc:China.loses.grip.on.internet] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DIFFERENT_REPLY_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: China loses grip on internet By Rupert Wingfield-Hayes In Beijing <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_2027000/2027120.s">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_2027000/2027120.s> tm The internet is changing China profoundly, breaking down the stranglehold on information held by China's communist rulers. The Chinese are now the second biggest internet users in the world. Last year more than 56 million of them logged on from home, and that number is growing by 6% a month. A hi-tech police force keeps watch over the internet 24 hours a day But the Chinese state will not give up its monopoly without a fight - and using the internet to express dissent in China is still a very dangerous game to play. One man, Haung Qi found that out to his cost, as he explained in a rare interview. In 1998 he set up a website in the western Chinese city of Cheng Du. The site rapidly became a magnet for discussion of everything from human rights to democracy. "As the website developed it began to reveal more and more deep problems in China's society," he said. "Gradually we began to come under a lot of pressure from the government. "First the police came to shut down the site, then agents from the state security bureau." Web police Not long after the interview was recorded the police came for Huang Qi. He posted a last message on the site. "The police are here," he wrote. "Thanks to all of those who care about democracy in China. Goodbye." Post for web company According to a survey, China's home internet is second only to the US Last August Huang Qi was found guilty of attempting to subvert state power. He will spend the next few years in a bare concrete cell. Inside an imposing building in Beijing is the Ministry of Information Industry, where a hi-tech police force keeps watch over the internet 24 hours a day. It has been nicknamed "the great fire-wall of China". Its job is to keep ordinary Chinese people from accessing unhealthy information. That could be anything from Playboy to the BBC. The Chinese state is going to enormous lengths to control the web. But despite its best efforts, the internet is changing China. Debate widens At 0300 the printing presses at The People's Daily are in full flow. The newspaper is the mouthpiece of the Communist Party. Its stock in trade is industrial output figures and the latest Communist Party dogma. It is not a good read. Information is now being spread and exchanged in ways unthinkable just a few years ago But a few floors above at the offices of the People's Daily website, something very different is going on. The site has real news stories and its internet chat-rooms rage with debate - some of them quite racy. The site is rather grandly named "the strong country forum". There is one message group which is talking about patriotism. "Today patriotism in China means loving the Party and loving Socialism," said one contributor. "You can destroy China's environment, but you can't criticise the Party." For the first time ever the internet is allowing people from every corner of China to engage with each other in conversation and debate. And it is changing China in other ways too. Spreading the word China's state-run television recently reported on a huge mining disaster in the south-west of the country in which 81 miners were killed. But without the internet this report would probably never have happened. "The local government used all kinds of measures to try and stop us reporting the disaster," said Zheng Sheng Feng, the bureau chief for the local Communist Party daily. "They threatened lots of journalists and succeeded in stopping many of them from publishing their stories. The officials knew they would be in big trouble if the story got out." Frustrated and angry, Mr Zheng and his colleagues took their stories and posted them on the web. Word began to spread. Soon journalists in other provinces picked up the story and finally news of the disaster reached Beijing. "Without the internet the story may still have got out," said Mr Zheng. "With so many people killed it would have been hard to keep it a secret for ever, but it would have been much more difficult." The internet is changing China in subtle but profound ways. Information is now being spread and exchanged in ways unthinkable just a few years ago. The Chinese state's once total control on information has been broken and hard as it may try it has little hope of regaining that control. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Tied to your PC? Cut Loose and Stay connected with Yahoo! Mobile http://us.click.yahoo.com/QBCcSD/o1CEAA/Zr0HAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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