Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4884-1024939138-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22159 invoked by uid 510); 24 Jun 2002 17:18:53 -0000 Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.105) by all.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 17:18:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4884-1024939138-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 17:18:58 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 17:18:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 7331 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 17:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 17:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 17:18:58 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA28650 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst2b.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id KAA06716 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020624095920.04e42550@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200206221609.g5MG9fn11171@red.all.net> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:25:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:They.Heard.It.All.Here ...] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,RISK_FREE,FREE_MONEY,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: The article by Pluchinsky promotes a "siege mentality" that is detrimental to the American psyche, and to democracy in general. The author writes "this is a war". Yes, and it will be a "war" forever, most likely. If we are to succumb to a siege mentality and restrict the American public from knowledge of the shortcomings of its infrastructure security, then the public cannot properly exercise its duty to govern itself. Security flaws will take far longer to address without the application of public pressure, a pressure that can only come from routine awareness. It is a cost of freedom and democracy that one's enemies are supplied with information that can be used against us. But without the free flow of such information, we lose freedom and democracy at step one. To allow significant restrictions on the flow of information, in the public interest, for the "duration of the war", is essentially to institutionalize these restrictions. This hands the greatest "win" to our adversaries. As a previous writer pointed out, our defense is not a defense of the "homeland". It is not about protecting physical borders or real-estate. It is all about preserving our democratic institutions. That is the target that our enemies aim to destroy. America will be made weaker, not stronger, by restricting general infrastructure status information from a public that requires this information to exercise real governance. ____tony____ At 09:09 AM 6/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >washingtonpost.com >They Heard It All Here, And That's the Trouble >By Dennis Pluchinsky >Sunday, June 16, 2002; Page B03 >I accuse the media in the United States of treason. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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