Return-Path: <sentto-279987-5077-1027877702-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6235 invoked by uid 510); 28 Jul 2002 17:34:02 -0000 Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.84) by all.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 17:34:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-5077-1027877702-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2002 17:35:02 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 17:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 92719 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 17:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 17:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 17:35:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020728173501.27047.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.100.20.143] by web14507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:35:01 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020728170110.22009.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Ashcroft:.TIPS.Plan.Won't.Have.Central.Database] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,RISK_FREE,FREE_MONEY,SUPERLONG_LINE version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: To All; M keyboard is not printing out all characters and adding in word that I didnt want. My appologies. New motherboard is causing m trouble. er "e.r." wrote: FC_ This is the same person who is working toward tighter interaction between federal and state data bases on same. Last tim I checked the AG one and only job is protecting the constution, not to burn a copy in flames everyday. For a guy who lost his Senate seat to a DEAD MAN, the people of Missouri were trying to tell us all something rather profound. For someone he claims " that the rule of law" is parimount to his efforts, it surely does not appear that way.Perhaps he runs the Justice Dept by the "rule of slevtively chosen laws"-only those that are beneficial to him. Just to send a chill down your spine, when Russian President Vladmir Putin took his oath of office and gave a speech, he said it was most important for the new Russia to be run by the rule of law. Sound familiar? Fred Cohen wrote:[FC - for thouse of you who appreciate propaganda...] Ashcroft: TIPS Plan Won't Have Central Database Anti-Terror Information Will Be Passed On, He Tells Committee By Dan Eggen Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, July 26, 2002; Page A10 Attorney General John D. Ashcroft told senators yesterday that he had scrapped plans to include a centralized database as part of a controversial program enlisting millions of Americans as anti-terrorist tipsters. But Ashcroft defended the Operation TIPS initiative as a valuable way for truck drivers, ship captains and others to identify potential terrorist activities. "It builds on existing programs that industry groups have," Ashcroft said in testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. "You have the ability of people who have a regular perception, who understand what's out of order here, what's different here, and maybe something needs to be looked into." Ashcroft also warned that "the entire United States of America is a target for terrorist activities." "I believe that there are substantial numbers of individuals in this country who endorse the al Qaeda agenda," Ashcroft said. "As I observed the events of September 11th, and as we reconstruct it, we found that there was a presence across America of individuals, whether it be from San Diego or Phoenix, or Oklahoma City or Minneapolis or any number of locations, that might not appear to those of us who would say, 'Now, where would you find a terrorist?' " The attorney general, who has come under fire from Democrats and some Republicans in recent months, also staunchly defended the Justice Department's anti-terrorism tactics as effective and constitutional. Ashcroft also disagreed with findings by congressional investigators that plans to destroy quickly gun-purchase records would result in more illegal weapons on the streets. Operation TIPS (Terrorism Information and Prevention System) is under development by the Justice Department as part of President Bush's Citizen Corps initiative, which aims to get citizens involved in homeland security. The program has been criticized by some lawmakers and civil liberties groups, who believe Operation TIPS would encourage citizens to spy on each other and bears uncomfortable similarities to surveillance programs during World War II and other conflicts. "We don't want to see a 1984, Orwellian-type situation here where neighbors are reporting on neighbors," Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) said during Ashcroft's testimony yesterday. A government Web site calls Operation TIPS a "national system for reporting suspicious, and potentially terrorist-related activity" involving "millions of American workers who, in the daily course of their work, are in a unique position to see potentially unusual or suspicious activity in public places." But Ashcroft said the program is not envisioned to include information garnered from private homes by, for example, a telephone service person. Information reported to TIPS would be passed on to relevant law enforcement agencies such as the FBI, he said. © 2002 The Washington Post Company ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! 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