Return-Path: <sentto-279987-5210-1029762745-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22871 invoked by uid 510); 19 Aug 2002 13:10:49 -0000 Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.65) by all.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 13:10:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-5210-1029762745-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2002 13:12:25 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 13:12:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 84366 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 13:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 13:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (12.232.72.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 13:12:24 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g7JDDZr08127 for iwar@onelist.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:13:35 -0700 Message-Id: <200208191313.g7JDDZr08127@red.all.net> To: iwar@onelist.com (Information Warfare Mailing List) Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [iwar] [fc:Ex-General:.War.Game.Rigged] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DIFFERENT_REPLY_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: washingtonpost.com Ex-General: War Game Rigged By Associated Press Associated Press Saturday, August 17, 2002 A retired general who commanded "enemy" forces in a recently concluded $250 million U.S. war game says the exercise was rigged so that it appeared to validate new war-fighting concepts it was supposed to test. Paul Van Riper, who headed the Marine Corps Combat Development Command when he retired in 1997 as a three-star general, said he became so frustrated with undue constraints on his command of "enemy" forces that he quit the role midway through Millennium Challenge 2002, which ended Aug. 15. His complaints were reported yesterday by the Army Times, a private newspaper that covers Army issues. The Times obtained a copy of an e-mail Van Riper sent to colleagues explaining why he had quit. "It was in actuality an exercise that was almost entirely scripted to ensure a Blue [friendly forces] 'win,' " he wrote. Van Riper was in command of the Red force, meant to simulate the enemy. Navy Capt. John Carman, chief spokesman at Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, which sponsored the war game, said there is no record of Van Riper having quit his role as "enemy" commander. He said the retired general is "held in high regard" and is entitled to his opinions. "We don't agree with his conclusions," Carman said. Van Riper, who participated as a contract employee, said he was concerned that the military would implement new war-fighting concepts on the basis of what he considers to be false conclusions from the three-week exercise. Carman said that the results of the war game were being evaluated and that some concepts will require further experimentation. Millennium Challenge 2002 involved a wide range of U.S. military commands across the country linked by computer networks to simulated troops, air and sea units with 13,500 military personnel fighting a classified war scenario. Van Riper said exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against the Blue forces. He added that on several occasions the Red forces were directed not to use certain weapons against Blue. Robert Oakley, a retired ambassador who played the role of civilian leader of the Red force, told the Times that Van Riper was outthinking the Blue force. He said, for example, that in the computer simulations, Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders, negating the Blue forces' high-tech eavesdropping capabilities. When the Blue naval forces sailed into the Persian Gulf early in the experiment, Van Riper's forces surrounded the ships with small boats and planes. Much of the Blue force's ships ended up at the bottom of the ocean. Oakley said Joint Forces Command officials had to stop the exercise and "refloat" the fleet in order to continue. Vice Adm. Marty Mayer, deputy commander of Joint Forces Command, defended the exercise. "I want to disabuse anybody of any notion that somehow the books were cooked," Mayer told the Times. But he said "certain things are scripted" in any large war game. "You have to execute in a certain way or you'll never be able to bring it all together," he said. Mayer said that in some parts of the exercise Van Riper was constrained "in order to facilitate the conduct of the experiment." © 2002 The Washington Post Company ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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