Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1403-994680538-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Jul 2001 05:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13503 invoked by uid 510); 9 Jul 2001 11:10:53 -0000 Received: from cj.egroups.com (208.50.144.68) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 11:10:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1403-994680538-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2001 12:08:58 -0000 X-Sender: ellisd@mitre.org X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 9 Jul 2001 12:08:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15734 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 12:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2001 12:08:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpproxy2.mitre.org) (128.29.154.90) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 12:08:55 -0000 Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f69C8p104257 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f69C8oX24911 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-166-211.mitre.org (128.29.166.211) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 7105844; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3B499ED2.CDDAE312@mitre.org> Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-20010313M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: IWAR <iwar@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-From: Dan Ellis <ellisd@mitre.org> From: Dan Ellis <ellisd@cs.ucsb.edu> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:08:50 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] Duration of Cyber Conflicts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright, all, cyber warfare ("informatin warfare" in the last thread) does connote a prolonged engagement of high intensity. Is that, however, what people really expect cyber conflicts to be? Whenever I think of cyber warfare, I immediately picture a conflict of high intensity that lasts hours to days. (I imagine the recon stage will take place over a long period of time in a stealthy manner before the high intensity conflict begins.) Some may argue that this is not cyber warfare, but rather an cyber conflict. I don't visualize trench warfare as having any analogy in information conflicts. I visualize cyber warfare as being more analogous to dropping an atom bomb. You have a large amount of off-line preparation (designing/building the bomb, choosing target) but a relatively short amount of time in engagement (hours in a plane, open the hatches, fly away). It takes two short instances to persuade the adversary to surrender. The war would have been much shorter if either side had started throwing atom bombs at each other earlier (would it still have been considered a war if it lasted only a few days?--say, one atom bomb per day). Is there an (inverse) relationship between the capacity of weapons to do harm (intensity of conflict) and the duration of conflict? (I am not a military guy--just a theory guy. :) If so, how long before cyber weapons become sophisticated enough to shorten the length of conflict to hours/days? If not, where am I wrong? I suppose that these questions are hard to answer due to the asymmetry of the problem: almost all cyber weapons will be more potent against a technology-dependent nation than a nation whose GNP is a linear function of the number of goats in the country. --------------------------- Dan Ellis, Ph.D. student MITRE Infosec Eng/Scientist www.cs.ucsb.edu/~ellisd (703) 883-5807 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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