Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1669-999177358-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5103 invoked by uid 510); 30 Aug 2001 13:16:22 -0000 Received: from n7.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.57) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2001 13:16:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1669-999177358-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2001 13:15:59 -0000 X-Sender: jsforza@isrisk.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 30 Aug 2001 13:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 63928 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2001 13:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2001 13:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.177) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2001 13:15:00 -0000 Received: from isr5 (roc-24-169-96-20.rochester.rr.com [24.169.96.20]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.5/Road Runner 1.12) with SMTP id f7UDDrJ20038 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:13:53 -0400 (EDT) To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <HJEOJIABAJCJIMKBCKIGEEMOCAAA.jsforza@isrisk.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010829183830.00b49ec0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@isrisk.net> From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@rochester.rr.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:13:03 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Preparing for 'Network-Centric' Warfare Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original Message > >ROGUE MISSILE THREATS: Addressing a missile defense conference > last week in > >Huntsville, Ala., CIA Deputy Director John E. McLaughlin focused on three > >rogue state missile threats -- Iran, Iraq and North Korea -- and a "cross > >fertilization" among these and other nations that makes missile threats > >possible. > > > >Iran, he said, will soon field a Shahab-3 medium-range ballistic missile > >(range 1,300 kilometers) capable of hitting Israel, Saudi > Arabia, Turkey -- > >and U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf. > > > >Iraq has rebuilt "several critical missile production sites," McLaughlin > >said, and is hiding a small number of Al Hussein short-range ballistic > >missiles (range 650 kilometers) that can strike Israel, Iran, > Saudi Arabia > >and Turkey. > > > >North Korea, the biggest threat of all, he said, could test a long-range > >Taepo Dong 2 capable of hitting parts of the United States with a > >"nuclear-sized payload" sometime in 2003. > > > >How do such nations develop sophisticated ballistic missile technology? > > > >The North Korean No Dong, developed initially from Russian Scud > technology, > >forms the basis of the Iranian Shahab-3 as well as Pakistan's > medium-range > >missile, McLaughlin said. > > > >Iran and Pakistan, meanwhile, are viewed by CIA analysts as potential > >"secondary" proliferators, eager to turn their technology imports into > >exports for hard cash they can turn around and use to import still more > >technology. > > > >Russia and China further complicate the picture, McLaughlin said, peddling > >technological know-how and missile components to the rogue nations of the > >world. Tony's response.. > > No doubt, all of this is true to some extent, however... > > I wonder how the good scientists and engineers from North Korea, > Iran, and > Pakistan must feel when the world's major superpower (US) promulgates the > notion that without the technological gifts from "parent nations", these > professionals would be unable to rub two sticks together. Driven to prove their capabilities through demonstration... Welcome to the traditional arrogance of a world power to the lesser nations. We're going to get our ass kicked if we don't watch our language and attitudes. In today's world most of these folks have degrees from the same places, and never forget raw talent. It is a dangerous precedent to associate capability (especially short term or one off demonstration) with the density of PhD's. > A question: If it were possible for these "rogue nations" to > fully develop major offensive capability without the help of other nations, > would we (the US) still hold to the line that they got the capability from (Russia, > China, etc) in order to pressure those parent nations into > policing "their children"? That is, to let it be known that should any overt act on the > part of "the child" occur, we would hold "the parent" responsible? I like it ... NOT, short term, dangerous classic escalation mentality. How much of that material (I wanted to say c?#*) in the emerging nations is US sourced? Unless it can be proven in world court that a 'superpower' nation is directly assisting nuclear offensive development to offensive capability in a state sanctioned mode you are treading on a thin shell lava field, have fun. As I have said before, rockets are so damned inefficient, I grant that they are timely delivery vehicles but I see no requirement that they get their payloads to target in 15 minutes vs. 30 hours. Actually the 30 hours provides considerably more Pysch Ops advantage, albeit with the heighten risk of interception. Or did I miss your point Tony? Regards, John Sforza ISRisk 716.230.3516 V jsforza@isrisk.net <mailto:jsforza@isrisk.net> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Secure your servers with 128-bit SSL encryption! Grab your copy of VeriSign's FREE Guide: "Securing Your Web Site for Business." Get it Now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/n7RbFC/zhwCAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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