Return-Path: <sentto-279987-2217-1001182995-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32615 invoked by uid 510); 22 Sep 2001 18:24:16 -0000 Received: from n27.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.77) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 22 Sep 2001 18:24:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-2217-1001182995-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.221] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2001 18:23:51 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 22 Sep 2001 18:23:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 23973 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2001 18:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 22 Sep 2001 18:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Sep 2001 18:23:50 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id LAA18106 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:23:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200109221823.LAA18106@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c14390$9960e3e0$6301a8c0@Ozair> from "Mohammad Ozair Rasheed" at Sep 22, 2001 11:01:25 PM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [iwar] The definition of terrorism Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... > > I agree that these may be horrendous treatment, but they are not > > 'terrorist' because they are carried out by an identifiable government > > against targetted people. That's just old fashioned opression and > > abuse, not terrorism. > > > As an aside, the bible records many other instances of 'holy wars' as > > does the Koran. Today most of us we presume that these are lessons to > > help us understand the need for peaceful settlement of differences, but > > clearly there is historical evidence for lots of abuses by militaries of > > all sorts. [Ozair] :) Are you changing the definition of terrorist and terrorism? I, for one, believe that this is a very important issue. When we invoke the term "terrorism" it may well mean different things to different people. Obviously if the US is going to war against 'terrorism' and has no definition, they are generally going to war against anyone they want to. Here are some examples: If Terrorism is defined as: "the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political ends [Collins Dictionary]" then All nations have been terrorist since the beginning of time. According to: Ayatullah Shaykh Muhammad 'Ali Taskhiri Vol V No. 1 (Muharram 1408 AH/1987 CE) "Terrorism is a term that has been much bandied about in recent times in the world media. This paper was presented by the author, who is Director of the International Relations Department of the I.P.O., at the International Conference on Terrorism called by the Organization of the Islamic Conference, Geneva, from June 22-26, 1987. It is an attempt to define terrorism and to put it in a broad perspective." (www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/definition-terrorism.htm) The DOD definition of terrorism is: "the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological." http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/bpart1.html 1996 Patterns of Global Terrorism Report: No one definition of terrorism has gained universal acceptance. For the purposes of this report, however, we have chosen the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the United States Code, Section 2656f(d). That statute contains the following definitions: The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant(1) targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. A --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! 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