Re: [iwar] [fc:Following.the.money] - Related?

From: e.r. (fastflyer28@yahoo.com)
Date: 2001-09-27 08:12:35

Next message: B.K. DeLong: "Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study"
Previous message: e.r.: "Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study"
In reply to: Tony Bartoletti: "Re: [iwar] [fc:Following.the.money] - Related?"
Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [ attachment ]

Message-ID: <20010927151235.76230.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010925182801.00bdb960@poptop.llnl.gov>
From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com>
Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com
Precedence: bulk
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Following.the.money] - Related?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Tony- I think you are wondering in the right direction. That is hoe s
few potential terrorist events have occured.
--- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote:
> Although hawala/hundi financial transactions may make a complete
> paper 
> trail impossible, I would wager that there are many ancillary parties
> who 
> helped finance, coordinate, or profit from terrorist acts, who are 
> "western" and cannot so easily hide their trail.  The unusual
> put-orders on 
> selected airlines, or re-insurers, comes to mind.
> 
> Also, I recall watching a TV special in August on the upcoming EU 
> conversion to the "Euro", and how it would make all previous
> currencies 
> "non-legal-tender" after (what seemed to be) a relatively short time.
>  This 
> report described how this upcoming currency conversion was "flushing"
> all 
> manner of hoarded (and often illegal) fortunes out of the woodwork. 
> Folks 
> who had amassed fortunes in cash to avoid paying taxes or registering
> 
> transactions were desperate to move the currencies across borders,
> etc., 
> either to take advantage of more forgiving exchange provisions, or to
> make 
> purchases and convert the cash to material goods.  Total valuation of
> these 
> "suspicious cash hoards" was estimated in billions $US.
> 
> Perhaps it is unrelated to the 9-11 attack, but money is money, and
> so I 
> wonder.
> 
> ____tony____
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> >That could prove to be the real difficulty in tracing money back to
> >those responsible for the US attacks - especially if Bin Laden
> really is
> >behind them.
> >
> >The secret lies in an alternative banking system hundreds of years
> old,
> >known in India as hawala and in Pakistan - and Afghanistan and the
> >Middle East - as hundi.
> >
> >According to Prof Barry Rider, director of the Institute of Advanced
> >Legal Studies in London and an expert on financial crime, the
> >trust-based hundi system is entirely normal, and prevalent wherever
> >there is a South Asian or Middle Eastern diaspora.
> >
> >"Say I'm working in the UK and want to sent money back to a village
> in
> >Pakistan," he said.  "I could get a bank transfer, but that's going
> to
> >be at the official exchange rate.  And what good will it do my
> family in
> >a village with no bank?"
> >
> >Instead, he says, you find the hundi broker - often a local small
> >businessman - give him the money, and after a short time his
> contacts
> >back home will deliver the money, at the black market rate, in local
> >currency and minus a handling fee, to your relatives.
> >
> >No paper trail, no fuss.  And no money ever crosses a border -
> >discrepancies in the two-way flow are settled up at the end of the
> >month, or perhaps every half year.
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov>
> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
> Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
> Livermore, CA 94551-9900
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone.
http://phone.yahoo.com

------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM
---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

------------------
http://all.net/ 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Next message: B.K. DeLong: "Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study"
Previous message: e.r.: "Re: [iwar] Comments on the Dartmouth Security Study"
In reply to: Tony Bartoletti: "Re: [iwar] [fc:Following.the.money] - Related?"
Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [ attachment ]

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.2 : 2001-09-29 21:08:50 PDT