Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4193-1010084642-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27188 invoked by uid 510); 3 Jan 2002 19:04:21 -0000 Received: from n10.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.60) by all.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 19:04:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4193-1010084642-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.165] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2002 19:04:00 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 19:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7058 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 19:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 19:03:59 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA07373 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id LAA16839 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:03:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103110108.00b87da0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <OFF260A632.38035155-ON85256B35.007176E1@mech.disa.mil> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:10:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Most.troubled.by.net.security] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 01:55 PM 1/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >What is truly amazing, is how many people who are online and connected from >their homes do not have a firewall in place. One of my stand alone "other >machines" we have at home, while connected via a modem to AOL was attacked >15 times within a 30 minute time period, attempts to place trojan horse's, >etc. on the machine. On DSL and Cable modem's it has been far worse than >that, perhaps only because those connections are somewhat permanent in >nature. What I find most disturbing is that some ISPs (and now, OS vendors) want you NOT to use your own firewall, as it interferes both with their own "auto-update" routines, and may frustrate their ability to productize upcoming "you didn't pay, so you cannot play" wares (or related, "you didn't let me snoop, so I won't cooperate" wares.) The real challenge for computer security is to defeat this lose-lose situation. Let individuals install and configure their own firewalls, and maybe 2 percent of them (optimistically) will do a decent job. Let your "provider" (ISP/OS) take care of it for you, and trust that they will not abuse their access to your resources. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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