Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4418-1012590290-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17669 invoked by uid 510); 1 Feb 2002 19:04:34 -0000 Received: from n25.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.75) by all.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 19:04:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4418-1012590290-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.187] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 19:03:16 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 19:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 57458 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 19:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 19:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 19:04:48 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA16143 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id LAA06699 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:04:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020201110822.00b44340@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200202011454.g11Est131980@red.all.net> References: <72222DC86846D411ABD300A0C9EB08A1079C32E8@csoc-mail-box.csoconline.com> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:12:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:FBI.Raid.Silences.Teen.Anarchist's.Site] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you hit that nail squarely on the head, Fred. At 06:54 AM 2/1/02 -0800, you wrote: [snip] >In terms of disloyalty - unAmerican - I have cause to disagree with this >notion. I think those who remove such a site are the ones who are >disloyal and unAmerican. After all, loyalty would mean standing up for >the freedom to express your ideas, and any true patriot would see that >we need dissent to remain free. The loyal opposition is the most >desirable thing we have in the United States. And what makes the >opposition loyal is their ability to air their grievances in the public >marketplace without fear of oppression. > >There are, of course, limits. For example, insighting to riot or crying >'fire' in a crowded thater when there is no fire (the second part is >really important and often forgotten). But publishing anything over the >Internet that could be publishedin a book sound to me like free speech. > >The anarchists cookbook is widely available and for sale and has been >for many years. It includes good descriptions of how to make explosive >devices, how to break into cars, and on and on. The same thing should >be available over the Internet without restrictions. The truth of the >matter is, and the introduction to The Anarchist's Cookbook says this >explicitly, the terrorists already know how to make a bomb. There is >public benefit in all of us understanding how these things work - if >only so we know what we are looking at when we see someone doing it. > >FC ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sponsored by VeriSign - The Value of Trust Secure all your Web servers now - with a proven 5-part strategy. The FREE Server Security Guide shows you how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iWSNbC/VdiDAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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