Return-Path: <sentto-279987-5081-1027878946-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7012 invoked by uid 510); 28 Jul 2002 17:54:46 -0000 Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.105) by all.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 17:54:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-5081-1027878946-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2002 17:55:46 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 17:55:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 91118 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 17:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 17:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (12.232.72.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 17:55:44 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g6SHw2c13081 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:58:02 -0700 Message-Id: <200207281758.g6SHw2c13081@red.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020728172423.25132.qmail@web14510.mail.yahoo.com> from "e.r." at Jul 28, 2002 10:24:23 AM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Yale:.Princeton.Hacks.Admission.Site] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: Per the message sent by e.r.: > While the Princton-Yale affair sickens me as an Ivy alum, taking such > an underhanded action to get the best students these days would likely > be an equalivent of an athletically oriented school doing the same to > garner information on potential students to recruite for a sports team. Except of course that this is a violatiopn of federal, state, and local laws, and not just some NCAA thing. I rarely speak on such issues in this manner, but if it is true that this person violated these laws, I think they should be arrested as the common crooks they are and thrown in jail. The University should be sued for the action of its employees, and the acreditation boards should suspend the school from accreditation if this is found to be a policy of the University. > It would be a clear NCAA recruting violation if the hack were over > student athletes. The two universities are never hurting for > competetion for the best students in the nation. What generated this > sleezy behavior goes far beyond any rational action,or comparitive > analysis purposes. I did grad work at Dartmouth's Thayer School of > engineering and know that they attract both bright very athletically and > generallly outdoor types give the climate. It is not for everyone, but > Yale and Princton do not have such disparities which makes their action > incusible Violations of law ar criminal acts. The valid excuses as far as I am aware are limited to self defense and some compelling greater good (like preventing the loss of life). Since these don't apply in this case, jail is the solution. To be clear on my view of this, I think the reson we have corporate greed and outrageous behavior is that there is no punishment for these things. We are not talking about the misreading of a contract or some mistake - we are talking about knowing and intentional violaiton of laws. If a black man in an inner city broke into a store to find out if there was a securtity system, he would be in jail today and likely convicted to stay there for some months to years. It is a criminal and outrageous act to fail to arreast and prosecute this crime. FC > > Fred Cohen wrote:Yale: Princeton Hacks Admission Site > > Yale Complains That Princeton Admissions Officials Hacked Into Site for > > Prospective Students > > http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020725_1592.html --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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