Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1577-997384112-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 830 invoked by uid 510); 9 Aug 2001 18:10:40 -0000 Received: from n3.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.53) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 18:10:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1577-997384112-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2001 19:08:32 -0000 X-Sender: jsforza@isrisk.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 9 Aug 2001 19:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 76231 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 19:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Aug 2001 19:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout1-1) (24.92.226.146) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 19:08:27 -0000 Received: from xcurrent (roc-24-169-96-20.rochester.rr.com [24.169.96.20]) by mailout1-1 (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f79J7EA06527 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:07:15 -0400 (EDT) To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <FMEBKCCNDNLCDGCDNJAOCEMKCAAA.jsforza@isrisk.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010809103958.00b515a0@poptop.llnl.gov> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@isrisk.net> From: "John Sforza" <jsforza@rochester.rr.com> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:06:58 -0400 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] Computer and Network Security vs. Information Privacy and Confidentiality Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony wrote.. >"Anonymized" also offered the general observation that, due to the >complexity of the technology, infrastructure management is gaining De Facto >peer rights to information content. Since there is (IMHO) no practical way >to avoid this situation, the only remedy would appear to be laws that >prohibit infrastructure management from taking any actions, based upon >revealed content, that are not aimed directly at infrastructure integrity. >In this digital age, the fact that "data" to one process can be "process" >to another process makes the "content vs infrastructure" distinction >increasingly problematic. Tony, I love it when somebody says "no practical way". Those should be fighting words to a competent group of OS architects. I am willing to accept even a partial solution in this space so how about the following: An OS that grants inital admin rights only to the data creator. The inital rights are restricted to creator eyes only and no transport. The creator determines the data classification and establishes rules of modification and channels of exchange. Ok, so I admit that an individual will have to add some process to data creation, but hey I remember PAPER and the issues of control and distribution before Xerox appeared on the scene. Speaking of the big X, remember GlobalView.. they were on the right path for a while there. On an aside - we often use the example of the bin diving janitor when talking of covert information gathering but in my experience I know the janitor's face better than I know some SA or network geek (pardon to the IT community) in the bowls of the building. A least the janitor says hello and knocks on the door. >The debate parallels that involving encryption. There is no doubt that >ubiquitous strong crypto will hamper many law enforcement efforts, and yet >pervasive cryptography could also serve to harden the entire infrastructure >to broader strategic threats. Someone (on this list, I believe) asked, >"What is more important, law enforcement or national security?" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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