Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1602-997709450-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13796 invoked by uid 510); 13 Aug 2001 13:31:14 -0000 Received: from n27.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.77) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 13:31:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1602-997709450-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2001 13:30:50 -0000 X-Sender: fc@big.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 13:30:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10038 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 13:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 13:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO big.all.net) (65.0.156.78) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 13:30:49 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by big.all.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) id GAA13757 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:30:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200108131330.GAA13757@big.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010813063121.95225.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> from "e.r." at Aug 12, 2001 11:31:21 PM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] Staganography Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by e.r.: > Unless the "trade craft" you speak of is something you learned in > summer camp, I think there is a fair amount of understanding that > tradecraft such as it has been discussed are some of the techiques that ... You misunderstand. I know lots about tradecraft - the question was: What tradecraft did who invent? Steganography has been used by many folks over a long time frame. Thousands of years. And it has evolved with technologies all along. Letters have included microdots since photography got to the point where it could do decent quality size reduction. Radio broadcasts contained steganography since there was radio. No doubt so does TV. Computer networks had steganagraphic content passed through them before the Internet existed. The Internet started to have steganography soon after it was first used - albeit not in the form typically seen today. FC > --- Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> wrote: > > Per the message sent by 7Pillars Partners: > > > > > I'm not saying we invented stego, but this particular -tradecraft-. > > MW > > > > What specific tradecraft is that, and who is the 'we' you are talking > > about? > > > > FC > > > > --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to > > serve-- > > Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 > > fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ > > http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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